Bush to Bypass Laws to Build Fence

lilbawler2001 · 04-01-2008, 11:07 PM

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WASHINGTON) — The Bush administration plans to use its authority to bypass more than 30 laws and regulations in an effort to finish building 670 miles of fence along the southwest U.S. border by the end of this year, federal officials said Tuesday.Invoking the legal waivers — which Congress authrized — would cut through bureaucratic red tape and sidestep environmental laws that currently stand in the way of the Homeland Security Department building 267 miles of fencing in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, according to officials familiar with the plan. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the waivers had not yet been announced.
The move would be the biggest use of legal waivers since the administration started building the fence. Previously, the department has used its waiver authority for two portions of fence in Arizona and one portion in San Diego.
As of March 17, there were 309 miles of fencing in place, leaving 361 to be completed by the end of the year. Of those, 267 miles are being held up by federal, state and local laws and regulations. The waivers would address the construction of a 22-mile levee barrier in Hidalgo County, Texas; 30 miles of fencing and technology deployment on environmentally sensitive ground in San Diego, Tucson and the Rio Grande; and 215 miles in California, Arizona and Texas that face other legal impediments due to administrative processes. For instance, building in some areas requires assessments and studies that — if conducted — could not be completed in time to finish the fence by the end of the year.
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff had said using the waivers would be a last resort. The department has held more than 100 meetings with lawmakers, environmental groups and residents in an effort to work out obstacles and objections to fence construction. The department will conduct environmental assessments when necessary, one of the officials said. But the waivers allow the department to start building before completing the assessments.
The department was expected to announce the plans later Tuesday.
Residents and property owners along the U.S.-Mexico border have complained about the construction of fencing. In South Texas, where opposition has been widespread, land owners refused to give the government access to property along the fence route.
The government has since sued more than 50 property owners to gain access to the land.
Environmentalists have also complained about the fence because they say it puts already endangered species such as two types of wild cats — the ocelot and the jaguarundi — in even more danger of extinction. They say the fence would prevent them from swimming across the water to mate.
Chertoff has said the fence is good for the environment because immigrants degrade the land with trash and human waste when they sneak illegally into the country

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...726915,00.html

The sooner they build the fence and secure the border, the better our chances are of getting something to pass.

gsb89 · 04-02-2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lilbawler2001

The sooner they build the fence and secure the border, the better our chances are of getting something to pass.

...I agree!

dado123 · 02:05 AM

As much as I want congress to pass CIR, I do not agree that a wall along the U.S./ Mexico border is going to stop people from finding a means of entering the U.S. In my opinion we should improve diplomacy among both nations, rather than building a wall along the Mexico/U.S. border. Congress should authorize more manpower and technology to secure the border.

04-02-2008, 03:11 AM

They should just invest big time on a virtual fence with heat-sensing motion detectors and surveillance cameras. History has shown us that people will scale walls or dig under them.

ronaldo · 04-02-2008, 10:54 AM

if you build 20 foot fences someones gonna have a 21ft ladder, thats just how things go.

natalia · 04-02-2008, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

if you build 20 foot fences someones gonna have a 21ft ladder, thats just how things go.

Exactly!

Mrog · 04-02-2008, 12:52 PM

I dont think anything is a good solution fences, cameras, sensors, they are all ineffective.

unless they install automated infrared targetting gun cannons. that shoots warning shots and shoots to kill if the target makes a mad dash to the border.

dado123 · 04-02-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrog

I dont think anything is a good solution fences, cameras, sensors, they are all ineffective.

unless they install automated infrared targetting gun cannons. that shoots warning shots and shoots to kill if the target makes a mad dash to the border.

Do not be silly...you sound like the opposition...!!

Mrog · 04-02-2008, 03:29 PM

You should have heard my proposal on eliminating AID's but that's another story.

I know it's a proposterious idea but it is effective. It would eliminate people from coming in and deter others to even think about coming in. Sure it's immoral and completely insane. But that's the point I was trying to make.

Any kind of armed border defense system relies on one concept and that's intimidation. The problem is that these people are coming here because they are desparate and would risk everything, including their lives, to get in. If we can't stop them the only other solution is to create an effective way to block/eliminate 95% of all those that try by using any force nessasary.

Unless potential illegal immigrants are quadrapelgics, I doubt that fenses are going to stop desparate people from crossing the border.

It's like the answer on how to completely get rid of war. Kill everyone on the planet. Problem solved. That's the mind set many people have except not to that degree. An example? Deport them all! http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...213689491/1001

dado123 · 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrog

You should have heard my proposal on eliminating AID's but that's another story.

I know it's a proposterious idea but it is effective. It would eliminate people from coming in and deter others to even think about coming in. Sure it's immoral and completely insane. But that's the point I was trying to make.

Any kind of armed border defense system relies on one concept and that's intimidation. The problem is that these people are coming here because they are desparate and would risk everything, including their lives, to get in. If we can't stop them the only other solution is to create an effective way to block/eliminate 95% of all those that try by using any force nessasary.

Unless potential illegal immigrants are quadrapelgics, I doubt that fenses are going to stop desparate people from crossing the border.

It's like the answer on how to completely get rid of war. Kill everyone on the planet. Problem solved. That's the mind set many people have except not to that degree. An example? Deport them all! http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...213689491/1001

You are entitled to your opinion, but be realistic, the U.S. will not set land mines along the U.S/Mexico border to stop undocumented crossing nor any other shot to kill mechanism. We must be graceful we do not live in a developing or third-world nation that resort to shootings and killings to stop undocumented crossings. The notion that: "If we can't stop them the only other solution is to create an effective way to block/eliminate 95% of all those that try by using any force nessasary", emphasizes the rhetoric the opposition utilize in their forums (minuteman), this is a DAP forum.

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