Flake plans new push on Dreamers - Page 10

Originally Posted by Racos

We can agree that anti-immigrant sentiments are on the rise in general worldwide, however; we also know that Dreamers specifically are looked at in a different and more positive light in the general public. Basically, our government (mostly congress), is not a true representation of the people, and that's why things aren't happening for us, which is not fair in an ideal world. Maybe that's why many of us can't suck up and take the wall for extended daca, because it just is not how it should be playing out in this country in accordance with most peoples' beliefs. Also, an unequal exchange passing would subtlety change public perception about how future immigrants are looked at and treated in life and in politics. It would be good for us directly, but taking into account its impact, I believe that an unequal exchange is the morally wrong decision.

Originally Posted by Smooth

Yep, that's part of the huge problem is that the Democrats just refuse to use their leverage.

Originally Posted by IbelieveIcanFly

Point taken. It is a suckers deal, but that's the hand that we are dealt with (why? ask Schumer). Democrats got outplayed.

In the worst case you get to work, live, plan your future and freely travel without fear of deportation. In the best case, for those who believe democrats will rule the world in 2020, they will save us then. But let me remind folks who forget, they deprioritized us as soon as they gained control of the government. Not until 2012, right before a reelection, they did DACA, which was a 2 year renewal work permit.

I don't see a huge difference between a GC and a renewable work permit+travel. Maybe someone can explain? Maybe the fees? The point I made about getting married is IF you really care about citizenship. If you don't, then you don't need to readjust your status. In my view, 10-12 years path to citizenship has little value to fight for.

Originally Posted by tf2legend

What?? Even Grassley bill is way better than this. I'd rather have them spend more time and make some changes to that one than have a permanent DACA.

Not everyone wants to go the marriage route to get citizenship.

Originally Posted by RedBlueGreen

Well, they voted on the Grassley bill and it failed spectacularly. What I meant to say is that I’d rather have this than nothing at all, which is the only other option we have.

Originally Posted by IbelieveIcanFly

In the grand scheme of things, we are a pawn that can be sacrificed. I didn't realize it then but I do now. Just like someone who sweet talk you every single day but runs away at the first sign of danger. That's how much they truly care about us.

I say keep public pressure high on these guys because let's get real, that's all they ever cared about. Pressure them enough, they will do what's political advantageous.

Originally Posted by Smooth

I was still caught by surprise. The cowardice was fucking egregious. I know a few people with FWD who feel the same way. THEY GAVE UP ALL FUCKING LEVERAGE.

This debate also exposed a lot of the major orgs and their shitty tactics. Graham even called out UWD the day of the votes because UWD did not like any of the proposals. I swear those fuckers need to go down.