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Achieve Act (update) - Page 13

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#121
12-03-2012, 02:02 AM
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Where does it say that you are not eligible for citizenship.
From the link in the original post:
"W-3 Status: After completing four years of work while holding a W-2 visa, a recipient can then apply for a (permanent) nonimmigrant (no special pathway to citizenship) visa."

Achieve Act doesn't prohibit or disqualify its beneficiaries to pursue citizenship, but unless people find a different immigration status they can change into, they will never be a citizen. If you don't have relatives nor children, and no company willing to sponsor you, you will never be a citizen.

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What the Achieve Act does, is that, is provides a non-immigrant visa for which you can work and travel. Keep in mind that you will be free to work for whoever unlike the h1b visa. You can then get permanent residence via work or spouse or family sponsorship. So there is a path for permanent residency, although a long path.
This 'long path' through family based petition is available today without Congress lifting a finger. If it works as well as you think it is, then there shouldn't be 11 million undocumented immigrants, right? The law would help a tiny bit by ensuring people can adjust their status to LPR, but nothing more.

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Now when you are given a limited permanent residency or permanent residency you are given basically a straight path to citizenship. All you have to do is to not commit felonies in those 5 years and bingo you have your citizenship. The thing that you seem to forget is that most people that come here with non-immigeant visas for many years are your so called "second class citizens", now we don't hear them complaining about how unjust the system is since they can't get financial aid, and certain social security benefits. I don't believe that people should be given straight permanent residency because is basically giving out citizenship. All you have to do is be patient enough and pass the exam. I do believe that a sort of visa program should be implemented something that you can renew and that can allow you to get permanent residency after maybe 4 years. We all should be grateful for all the things this country has done for all of us!
If you read the comments around here, you will find that people think the W-1 visa portion (6 years) is reasonable. The W-2 (4 years) is somewhat palatable, but the W-3 is completely unacceptable.

Now, maybe my math is weird, but 6 + 4 years of waiting doesn't sound like 'straight permanent residency' to me.
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12-03-2012, 01:52 PM
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From the link in the original post:
"W-3 Status: After completing four years of work while holding a W-2 visa, a recipient can then apply for a (permanent) nonimmigrant (no special pathway to citizenship) visa."

Achieve Act doesn't prohibit or disqualify its beneficiaries to pursue citizenship, but unless people find a different immigration status they can change into, they will never be a citizen. If you don't have relatives nor children, and no company willing to sponsor you, you will never be a citizen.


This 'long path' through family based petition is available today without Congress lifting a finger. If it works as well as you think it is, then there shouldn't be 11 million undocumented immigrants, right? The law would help a tiny bit by ensuring people can adjust their status to LPR, but nothing more.


If you read the comments around here, you will find that people think the W-1 visa portion (6 years) is reasonable. The W-2 (4 years) is somewhat palatable, but the W-3 is completely unacceptable.

Now, maybe my math is weird, but 6 + 4 years of waiting doesn't sound like 'straight permanent residency' to me.
I actually thought that since it does not lead to a path towards citizenship then we wouldn't even be PR's either.

I want my path to citizenship no matter how long it takes or if they make the test harder on us....I've always wondered if they would...lol
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I actually thought that since it does not lead to a path towards citizenship then we wouldn't even be PR's either.
You are correct. The Achieve Act in its current version does NOT lead to LPR. It wants to create a new class of status called 'Non-Immigrant Permanent Resident', by contrast the LPR as we know it would likely be renamed 'Immigrant Permanent Resident' just to remove any confusion.

Natalie argues that you can still get LPR through Achieve Act, it's just that it's a longer route. I think it's a ridiculous way of looking at it.

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I want my path to citizenship no matter how long it takes or if they make the test harder on us....I've always wondered if they would...lol
Quick, what's the birthday of George Washington's grandfather from his mother's side?
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You are correct. The Achieve Act in its current version does NOT lead to LPR. It wants to create a new class of status called 'Non-Immigrant Permanent Resident', by contrast the LPR as we know it would likely be renamed 'Immigrant Permanent Resident' just to remove any confusion.

Natalie argues that you can still get LPR through Achieve Act, it's just that it's a longer route. I think it's a ridiculous way of looking at it.


Quick, what's the birthday of George Washington's grandfather from his mother's side?
See people keep saying this and that and then I get all confused thinking wait hold on that's not what I read/understood. This makes it even worse!

Um...before 1732....
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"The problem with the ACHIEVE Act is it does not achieve the dream," quipped Senator Bob Menendez (D-NJ) during a press conference Wednesday. Congressman Luis Gutierrez, chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus' Immigration Task Force, dismissed the initiative as "too little, too late."
End of discussion.

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