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Are Illegal Immigrants Really Taking Jobs Away From American Workers? - Page 2

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I buy groceries at H-E-B, I'm giving a jobs to Americans (Cashiers, managers, suppliers, manufacturers). In that grocery store, I bought bread, I made an american job (Bread maker) . I left the grocery store in my car which I bought from my own money, the one who made the car was an american (Car makers). I came to my home which I paid by borrowing from a bank, an american job (Loan specialist). I could go on, but you guys get the point. Any american claiming I took his job while I was washing dishes at a restaurant should go back to middle school and learn the basic courses which will make him a better American
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I said it on her other comments, I'll say it again. Arrogant and ignorant.
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I read this little gem a while back:

News flash: immigrants aren't taking anything from Americans. Companies like WalMart are giving jobs to them illegally. If WalMart paid a company to hire immigrants to do the job over Americans then there's probably a good reason for it. I'm sick and tired of lazy gluttonous Americans bitching about immigrants "taking" our jobs. It's not like they can literally come to America, ambush us in the parking lot and take our jobs.


If you lose your job to an immigrant, it's probably because he or she was willing to work harder for less money. Don't want to pay them full wages? Then don't hire them. If they do equal work, then they deserve equal pay. It's just that simple, and I'm not going to sit back like every other racist piece of shit bitching about having to work harder because there's a little competition for my job, immigrant or otherwise. I know I can do my job better than anyone, and if an immigrant thinks he can do a better job than I can, I welcome him to try.

What kind of chicken shit pussy is afraid of competition? Can't get a job because you lost out to an immigrant? Well TOUGH SHIT. Nobody wants to pay you for your half-assed work if someone else can do it better. That's what America is all about. Our president may be a moron, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let any more jackasses sully the reputation of hard working Americans who are willing to work just as hard as anyone else with or without competition. If you can't cut it, then the people with money will pay it to someone else who can. Maybe if all you people bitching weren't such lazy, pathetic, blood sucking leeches, you'd get off of your dead ass and work HARDER to do a better job. Get some balls people. If you're too chicken shit and you can't cut it, then maybe it's you who doesn't deserve to live in America. Not the immigrants.
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I have been working since age 16 - At age 17, I was hired by a communications company responsible for wiring all of downtown Seattle and surrounding areas (at least in Western WA) for broadband, waaay before anyone had even heard of two-way fiber- optic systems. During my time there; during my time in the subsequent Co. that purchased it after a merger; I saw dozens of people come and go: I didn't take anyone's place. The job was available and I was willing to take it. I was a very hard worker and got promoted rapidly and was compensated accordingly.

They had a very clever compensation plan in addition to your regular salary as a way to separate the contenders from the pretenders. The pretenders saw themselves to the door - they couln't keep up and were unwilling to work harder when it warranted. I now work in healthcare, and when I started - granted, it was before the recession- the place was a revolving door. Again, the job was available and I work very hard in a place where most employees who aren't IT or MDs, got the job thru a family or acquaintance hook-up, not based on merit.

This question of whether "Illegal" immigrants take jobs away from the native born is bonkers and as more disclosure and research of data becomes published, the public will come to understand AND realize what it takes to survive and forge ahead as an illegal immigrant.

P.S. I have paid taxes for all employment I've ever held - I have to say that if E-verify becomes mandatory, I will loose my job for obvious reasons, but I bring up this point because working off the books is unthinkable to me. If you do, No. 1 you cannot prove income source or amount of taxes withheld for you and from you; No.2 the government has no idea what is it really that you do or the amount of your actual income.
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i got a job as a dish washer in less than 10 minutes, because they were desperatly looking for anyone... and i had no experience. So i think americans just eithere aren't willing to move to some other places for work, or aren't willing to do hard work, or want the government to look for a job for them.... i had 3 job opportunities. All 3 with no experience what so ever. So from personal experience, partially no, because it could be different in other areas.
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Illegal immigrants will offer to do the work cheaper and then complain later that they aren't paid enough or are disrepected and mistreated. One example, the meat processing industy used to pay as much as $20.00 per hour for many skilled workers, many plants were unionized, illegal immigrants started to come in and offered to work cheap, so many companies took advantage of this situation and began to hire them. As a result companies now treat these illegals like crap, harass them with firing or deportation, lowered safety standards. Why? Because an illegal immigrant is a dime a dozen. A lot of these kind of workers have little to no knowledge of basic hygiene because they have a limited amount out education and come from little towns or villages were there wasn't even running water. So many don't even know to wash their hands properly. I have seen time after time in women's restroom, a illegal immigrant mother will take their kid to the toilet and either not wash the kids or their hands or rise it for all of 5 seconds.
All of this is because they lack the knowldge of basic hygiene. This not to say that you don't have some US citizens who seem to take hygiene for granted, I and my family have never being one of them.

But the fact is in over the years as illegal immigrants have started to work more and more in the food industries, the rates of food poisoning in the US has gone up. In construction the rate of accidents and deaths have gone up since so many illegal mainly Hispanics workers are ill trained and companies look at them as a dime a dozen labor force. The companies know that if one illegal gets hurt or killed there is always another one to replace him or her. And yet many illegal immigrants will yell " They treat us like slaves". No, they don't, slaves don't get paid.
Illegal immigrant are the only people I know that willing run to another country in order to be so-called slave. No body made them come, they chose to come and become cheap labor.
Because they are cheap and illegal they will never really be respected by the average US citizen worker.
I know many of you are going to say how did I know some such as the mother I mentioned was illegally in the country? Simple I asked. Many times I've run into people who I thought were illegally in the US and simply asked a few questions, which generally end with do you have papers ? The illegal immigrant mostly will either say "No Papers, get silent, or pretend like they can't speak any English.

It is said they hide in the shadows. Really? No, they are down the street from me, in my malls and shopping centers, and working right in front of my face.
All state law enforcement ought to be able to ask if you are in this country legally or not.
I have been stopped while working in Arizona years ago and asked if I was an America citizen. I had no problem proving it by showing my driver's license. I got asked that when I was coming back from a short shopping trips in Mexico. I had no problem.
Anyone hearing my and seeing me knows I am an American. In every country I have ever visited, I was never assumed to be anything else. But I do stand up for the rights of legal US workers first and foremost.
I also feel if the Dream Act were to be passed, one other provision should be added and that is no
Dreamer could ever have duel citizenship period. Mexico until some many years ago didn't allow duel citizenship, once so many of it people illegally entered the USA it changed that law and even put a comic book to aid illegal immigrants to come into the USA.

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/002533.html

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/besto...-book-1886528/


http://www.dallas.org/node/108


Many US citizens are not fooled by this ploy. I don't care how much some of you boast that you are so much better than a US citizen worker. If that was the case you be in your home country building it up. Illegal immigrants are not helping to build the USA, because the USA was built long before you got here. The US worker has been one of the most productive in the world. So please don't try to feed me a load of garbarge that only an illegal worker is a good worker. You are cheap labor that is all.
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I fail to see how this News, shouldn't it be in the lounge or other topics. Also the person above me is an idiot.
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Illegal immigrants will offer to do the work cheaper and then complain later that they aren't paid enough or are disrepected and mistreated. One example, the meat processing industy used to pay as much as $20.00 per hour for many skilled workers, many plants were unionized, illegal immigrants started to come in and offered to work cheap, so many companies took advantage of this situation and began to hire them. As a result companies now treat these illegals like crap, harass them with firing or deportation, lowered safety standards. Why? Because an illegal immigrant is a dime a dozen. A lot of these kind of workers have little to no knowledge of basic hygiene because they have a limited amount out education and come from little towns or villages were there wasn't even running water. So many don't even know to wash their hands properly. I have seen time after time in women's restroom, a illegal immigrant mother will take their kid to the toilet and either not wash the kids or their hands or rise it for all of 5 seconds.
All of this is because they lack the knowldge of basic hygiene. This not to say that you don't have some US citizens who seem to take hygiene for granted, I and my family have never being one of them.

But the fact is in over the years as illegal immigrants have started to work more and more in the food industries, the rates of food poisoning in the US has gone up. In construction the rate of accidents and deaths have gone up since so many illegal mainly Hispanics workers are ill trained and companies look at them as a dime a dozen labor force. The companies know that if one illegal gets hurt or killed there is always another one to replace him or her. And yet many illegal immigrants will yell " They treat us like slaves". No, they don't, slaves don't get paid.
Illegal immigrant are the only people I know that willing run to another country in order to be so-called slave. No body made them come, they chose to come and become cheap labor.
Because they are cheap and illegal they will never really be respected by the average US citizen worker.
I know many of you are going to say how did I know some such as the mother I mentioned was illegally in the country? Simple I asked. Many times I've run into people who I thought were illegally in the US and simply asked a few questions, which generally end with do you have papers ? The illegal immigrant mostly will either say "No Papers, get silent, or pretend like they can't speak any English.

It is said they hide in the shadows. Really? No, they are down the street from me, in my malls and shopping centers, and working right in front of my face.
All state law enforcement ought to be able to ask if you are in this country legally or not.
I have been stopped while working in Arizona years ago and asked if I was an America citizen. I had no problem proving it by showing my driver's license. I got asked that when I was coming back from a short shopping trips in Mexico. I had no problem.
Anyone hearing my and seeing me knows I am an American. In every country I have ever visited, I was never assumed to be anything else. But I do stand up for the rights of legal US workers first and foremost.
I also feel if the Dream Act were to be passed, one other provision should be added and that is no
Dreamer could ever have duel citizenship period. Mexico until some many years ago didn't allow duel citizenship, once so many of it people illegally entered the USA it changed that law and even put a comic book to aid illegal immigrants to come into the USA.

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/002533.html

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/besto...-book-1886528/


http://www.dallas.org/node/108


Many US citizens are not fooled by this ploy. I don't care how much some of you boast that you are so much better than a US citizen worker. If that was the case you be in your home country building it up. Illegal immigrants are not helping to build the USA, because the USA was built long before you got here. The US worker has been one of the most productive in the world. So please don't try to feed me a load of garbarge that only an illegal worker is a good worker. You are cheap labor that is all.
You complain about illegal immigrants coming to the US and that they they should go home to fix their "own" problems. Many of the problems of poverty and crime in, for example, Mexico and Central and South America are issues that the US created through its interventionist policies during the Cold War. As an example, a possibility exists that Guatemala could have prospered with Jacobo Arbenz and, hence, discouraged many Guatemalans from immigrating to the US if the US had not pressured for the overhtrow of Arbenz. That is one example.

Well anyways, screw you. You can bitch and moan all you want, but you and your rightist pricks are not going to do shit. I would like to see you try deport all of us. One day, we will be legal. We are not going to allow a prick like you bring us down.
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Illegal immigrants will offer to do the work cheaper and then complain later that they aren't paid enough or are disrepected and mistreated. One example, the meat processing industy used to pay as much as $20.00 per hour for many skilled workers, many plants were unionized, illegal immigrants started to come in and offered to work cheap, so many companies took advantage of this situation and began to hire them. As a result companies now treat these illegals like crap, harass them with firing or deportation, lowered safety standards. Why? Because an illegal immigrant is a dime a dozen. A lot of these kind of workers have little to no knowledge of basic hygiene because they have a limited amount out education and come from little towns or villages were there wasn't even running water. So many don't even know to wash their hands properly. I have seen time after time in women's restroom, a illegal immigrant mother will take their kid to the toilet and either not wash the kids or their hands or rise it for all of 5 seconds.
All of this is because they lack the knowldge of basic hygiene. This not to say that you don't have some US citizens who seem to take hygiene for granted, I and my family have never being one of them.

But the fact is in over the years as illegal immigrants have started to work more and more in the food industries, the rates of food poisoning in the US has gone up. In construction the rate of accidents and deaths have gone up since so many illegal mainly Hispanics workers are ill trained and companies look at them as a dime a dozen labor force. The companies know that if one illegal gets hurt or killed there is always another one to replace him or her. And yet many illegal immigrants will yell " They treat us like slaves". No, they don't, slaves don't get paid.
Illegal immigrant are the only people I know that willing run to another country in order to be so-called slave. No body made them come, they chose to come and become cheap labor.
Because they are cheap and illegal they will never really be respected by the average US citizen worker.
I know many of you are going to say how did I know some such as the mother I mentioned was illegally in the country? Simple I asked. Many times I've run into people who I thought were illegally in the US and simply asked a few questions, which generally end with do you have papers ? The illegal immigrant mostly will either say "No Papers, get silent, or pretend like they can't speak any English.

It is said they hide in the shadows. Really? No, they are down the street from me, in my malls and shopping centers, and working right in front of my face.
All state law enforcement ought to be able to ask if you are in this country legally or not.
I have been stopped while working in Arizona years ago and asked if I was an America citizen. I had no problem proving it by showing my driver's license. I got asked that when I was coming back from a short shopping trips in Mexico. I had no problem.
Anyone hearing my and seeing me knows I am an American. In every country I have ever visited, I was never assumed to be anything else. But I do stand up for the rights of legal US workers first and foremost.
I also feel if the Dream Act were to be passed, one other provision should be added and that is no
Dreamer could ever have duel citizenship period. Mexico until some many years ago didn't allow duel citizenship, once so many of it people illegally entered the USA it changed that law and even put a comic book to aid illegal immigrants to come into the USA.

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/002533.html

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/besto...-book-1886528/


http://www.dallas.org/node/108


Many US citizens are not fooled by this ploy. I don't care how much some of you boast that you are so much better than a US citizen worker. If that was the case you be in your home country building it up. Illegal immigrants are not helping to build the USA, because the USA was built long before you got here. The US worker has been one of the most productive in the world. So please don't try to feed me a load of garbarge that only an illegal worker is a good worker. You are cheap labor that is all.
P.S. The US has prospered at the expense of other countries, especially states in Latin America. Read Open Veins of Latin American by Eduardo Galeano. Many countries in Latin America could have been as potent and powerful as the US. But, they were exploited (they had valuable natural resources expropriated) by the US, in particular, and other imperialist states. So, don't come to me with your garbage that the American worker has made the US wealthy. NOO! The US has become wealthy because it has exploited other countries through its greedy firms abroad. During the Cold War, many countries in Latin America wanted to nationalize exploitative American firms that were just exploiting Latin Americans, profiting without reinvesting that money into Latin America, and misusing Latin-American resources. Everytime Latin-American leaders would try to stop this American policy, the US would label them "communists" and conduct covert operations to overthrow them.
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US+interventionism= problems in Latin America--> immigration to the US. Now, deal with it you F***en prick.
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