US Representative Steve King Has Heated Confrontation With Dreamers - Page 2

Millions of people are waiting in line entering legally but the majority of them a good 61% will eventually become illegal aliens themselves. Many people here are overstayers. The constitution itself says whoever is born here is entitled for citizen ship. Why shouldn't children of illegal aliens obtained citizenship? What did you do exactly to earn this citizenship anyway? Just because Youre parents were born here?


Many kids if illegal aliens become assimilated with the already established society here. Your ancestor here from somewhere and through that , you assimilated just find. Illegal aliens are contributing to the American society, reports after reports show illegal aliens are paying taxes. Many of them if not the majority just want to work.

With DACers feeling entitled, I do agree with you there. Me myself have argued about that many times here but that's only the result American society has birthen them. You yourself have shown that entitlement with this post. What federal crime have illegal aliens done exactly that is worse than many of the crimes you personally have committed with out retribution?

Imagine if American people took that stance with many of the crimes committed with out knowing.

" people who robbed other peoples Wi-Fi should be sent to jail!! People pirating content is sick and they outta be arrested!!"


You yourself should understand how entitled most Americans feel. So dreamers feeling the same way shouldn't be a surprise to you.

This country was after all founded on immigration and there was a point where this country immigration system wasn't so complicated that millions of people would comehere easily . Imagine if current immigration policies had existed even 200 years ago ? I doubt your parents would be here.


But before you begin to blame illegal aliens you have to understand why they're even coming here as so. you can't just blindly behind the law " they're illegal and that's all. What part of illegal and not legal do you get" is stuff the opposite side uses alot.

You need to understand why policies like NAFTA is screwing the lower countries over and why Americans trust for drugs is causing this war on drugs that has affected thousands of people. Illegal immigration also exist because of the many business here that hire them in the first place. Why not get armed against them?


The argument that illegal aliens are taking jobs away is also silly on the fact that companies like Wal-Mart enter towns, destroy their markets, and outsource millions of jobs overseas. I don't see you complaning about then or the many companies who are getting money back in their tax because they used so many loopsholes.

There are so many other ways to show his view on immigration. For Americans, this is a slap in the face, she doesn't seem grateful at all. This will cause some to vote against party lines, arrogance is not well tolerated by people who feel as though you have no legal right to begin with, regardless if you were brought here as a child and an EO allowed you the right to even hold that card. He will use that same video to show how ungrateful immigrants can be once they get "papers so to speak"

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Enough, what have you contributed to this country (besides being dropped by your mother in a US hospital) to make you feel as if you are superior than another group of human beings? I am thankful for the opportunity but people like you really need to learn humility. Being a US citizen doesn't entitle you for a lifetime of thanks and appreciation from anybody you come across. Learning how the world revolves will be a good first step. Stop being so close minded. The government doesn't owe us but a little relief would help us and is appreciated.

Your argument is really superficial and doesn't even scratch the surface. You think with emotions rather than facts.

Maybe you should show us how to not be so entitled by being an example.

Holy art tho US citizen 'enough' has appeared let us worship thy master and kneel at his presence.

That's horrible but you get the point.

Enough its enough of this ignorance. ppl like you always saying that we dont speak english. can you please show me where in my comment i was demanding DACA for my parents. hooked on phonics moron.

secondly, i was never demanding anything. we dreamers are only asking the US gov to recognize us as US citizen because thats who we are except in paper. we have no other counrty to call home besides US. it is all politics. US immigration system not only its broken and its on crack overdose. and these crackhead and bigot politicians refuse to fix it and playing cruel game with the lives of million of people.

As for millions are waiting to come to US legally argument, tell it to the cubans who are granted permanent residency as soon as they start to walk on US soil. we, dreamers are on the other hand are already here. we live life in poverty. we work hard and pay our tax. educate ourselves and unlike most US citizen kids we pay our tuition and not rely on government aid and grants to earn our degrees.

not all undocumented immigrants came from southern border. many, amonst the million are visa over stayer are from different continents. i am not going to teach you the names of other continents that you should have leaned in grade school. and there is huge world outside the american hemisphere just so you know. maybe you should go back to school and learn that. oh wait... cross that going back to school thing then you going to blame me for your alcohol and pot addiction.

BOTTOM LINE: i am more US citizen then you are. i have worked hard,paid taxes, live in poverty, educated myself and lived the american dream. all we dreamers want that US government to acknowledge us as citizen of this great nation. Unlike you my mom didnt get drunk and opened her legs and i fell out on american soil. i Have earned my citizenship and not asking for an hand out.

You have made quite a few assumptions. First and foremost, I have no criminal record. I have never committed a federal offense, or a crime under any jurisdiction. Why would you assume I am a criminal? However, if I were, it would be irrelevant. Or, are you suggesting we should condone illegal immigration simply because we have citizen scofflaws?

Furthermore, had I committed a federal crime, if caught, I would expect punishment. Actions have consequences. If I committed ID theft, fraud, or tax evasion (all federal offenses), as an adult of sound mind, I realize if caught, I will be arrested and prosecuted. If convicted, I will serve time in a federal penitentiary. It's just that simple.

Millions of U.S. citizens are incarcerated; because, in this country, adults are held accountable for violating the law. Are you suggesting we should exempt illegal aliens? Should they be absolved, while citizens are punished? I'm not sure I am following your train of thought. Perhaps you will expound.

I did not mention Birthright Citizenship, crimes committed by illegal aliens, assimilation, contributions, taxes, jobs, or corporations. They are not germane to the topic of this thread. You replied to my initial post on this forum. You have no knowledge of my stance on those issues. Why would you presume to know my opinion?

The U.S. welcomes more legal immigrants than all other countries combined. We have a very generous policy. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely! But, if it were impossible to enter this country through legal channels, please explain how 40 % of illegal aliens are visa overstays. They were issued visas. However, they chose to ignore the terms. That was their decision. If the terms required leaving after a specified period, and the visa holder chose to stay, that is their fault, not the U.S. government. This country is under no obligation to extend visas or grant foreign nationals permission to stay.

Millions chose to enter without inspection. Again, that was their decision. They knew they entered in violation of U.S. immigration laws. They didn't care. Why should they be rewarded with legalization? How does rewarding lawlessness benefit a country?

Amnesty was granted to 3 million in 1986. Citizens were given the same promises we hear today. Then, as now, we were told with the passage of that law, immigration would be strictly enforced, employers would face steep penalties, and the borders would be secured. Ted Kennedy gave a passionate speech, in which he stated resolutely, that would be the LAST time we would need to address the issue of illegal immigration. U.S. immigration laws aren't broken. They are simply not enforced. Otherwise, we would not have untold millions living here illegally.

Now, rather than 3 million, we have 11+ million. Actually, no one knows the true number. Why should any citizen believe CIR would be enforced, given the abysmal failure of the current law? How many times should citizens fall for this ruse?

As a sovereign nation, we are entitled to dictate the terms of our immigration policies. Some applicants are approved, while others are denied. That is our prerogative. Immigration policies should benefit this country. We have no legal or moral obligation to fulfill the aspirations of foreign nationals. Nor are we here to accommodate the impoverished of the world.

Black Americans did not enter another country illegally to flee from oppressive Jim Crow laws. They didn't feel entitled to demand acceptance, legalization, and a path to citizenship in a foreign land. No, they remained in THEIR country and fought and died for their rights. I fail to understand why illegal aliens cannot do the same in their countries of origin.

I am not the topic of this thread. Furthermore, my contribution, and that of any other citizen, is irrelevant to the issue of illegal immigration. We have a right to live in this country, both contributors and non-contributors. Likewise, if I visit a foreign country, I cannot expect to receive the same benefits and privileges as citizens; particularly, if I entered without permission. That would be the height of arrogance.

If you are not one of the arrogant, ingrate Dreamers, my comments are not applicable to you. However, you are intellectually dishonest if you deny the existence of arrogant and entitlement-minded Dreamers. Why should people living in a country illegally feel "entitled" to anything? Perhaps you can help me understand this mindset.

I don't need your appreciation. However, when citizens only see Dreamers protesting and demanding rights and privileges reserved for citizens, it certainly doesn't bode well. It sends a negative message. Learn to accept constructive criticism. I am not your enemy.

Whether you like it or not, this is not your country, despite having lived here illegally for years. I am not trying to be cruel. I am merely stating a fact. Public opinion will influence your fate. Why would you choose to portray yourselves in such a negative manner? It defies logic.

I understand you were brought here by your parents. As previously stated, I do not fault you. That was not your decision. However, your parents entered illegally or overstayed visas as adults. They knew they were violating the law. Their motives for doing so are irrelevant. I am sure most embezzlers are also trying to improve their lot in life. We have laws for a reason. When laws are ignored, adult offenders must suffer the consequences. Otherwise, our laws are meaningless.

Your closing statement shows a level of immaturity. I will assume you are quite young. I have no dog in this fight. Hence, my opinion is based on fact, not emotion. My life will not change one iota with the passage or failure of CIR or the Dream Act.

I am not God. Nor do I feel superior to other human beings. In fact, I am a very humble and compassionate person. I am a citizen of this country, and you are not. That's a fact. It is not pompous to state a fact. Yes, illegal immigration is a complex issue. However, according to the law, you are either here legally or illegally. You are here illegally. I realize sometimes the truth is a hard pill to swallow. But, it is what it is.

You lost me with your "moron" personal attack. I do not debate those incapable of civil discourse. Enjoy our day.

Personally, while I agree that the way Dreamer protestors are handling this is all kinds of wrong and may create backlash, I always wonder why people talk about illegal immigration as national security issue when I have yet to see an illegal immigrant actually commit some act of terror similar to Hamas, Al Qaeda, and even the individual acts such as the Boston Marathon bombing (and that person had a green card).

Really, terrorism is well-funded and the money runs incredibly deep. You can buy your way into the U.S on a tourist visa, you can enter the U.S on a student visa with a college acceptance letter, you can get a visa for starting a business in the U.S that employs Americans. 9/11 happened and wouldn't have been stopped if the border was secure because the terrorists weren't going to enter via the border. Entering from the border is dangerous. You can get killed, eaten alive, and raped. Ain't no way a terrorist is going to go through all of that just to bomb the U.S when there are other ways.

Also, I understand why people are going to protest so that their parents can also live here. To you, they are criminals. To them, they are the people who loved them and took care of them. However angry I used to get at my mom, she did the best that she could and while she didn't know the implications of her actions (because most people aren't that knowledgeable about immigration in the first place), I wouldn't turn my back on her either.



In regards to visa overstayers, immigration law is onerous and time consuming if one wishes to live or work here. Depending on the visa class and type, there is no practical way to adjust to a green card/permanent residency unless one has a knowledgeable immigration attorney (through their company, paid for by their savings) or they received a green card through a lottery. What typically happens is that an immigration attorney takes on many cases and does not send documents within the USCIS stipulated time frame. Many of the petitions and processes have such a large backlog (years even) that the applicant may have moved, a document may need to be resent, or the immigration firm is no longer operating.

I remember one person who had a green card, had sent in an address request change to USCIS as soon as he landed in NYC (confirmed on a USCIS document), and USCIS still mailed his greencard to the old address so now he has to find the money (but meanwhile can't legally work because he needs to show a green card and USCIS has stopped issuing temporary I-551's) to get a new greencard. He technically still has permanent residency, but for those who are coming in to this country, "following USCIS rules" is not so simple and is not simply due to that person's error.

I know another person who came in on a visa that no longer exists (USCIS stopped issuing the visa in 2003/2004) and there aren't that many attorneys who are knowledgeable about how he could obtain legal status through that type since it's not common.

And this is dealing with people who have knowledgeable attorneys. We haven't begun to think about people who have spent money for attorneys who blatantly lie and take advantage of immigrants who want to do the right thing and become legal.

Since you mentioned petitioning your husband as you are a U.S citizen, that is one of the more simpler/easier petition processes a person can do to become legal. While there are hoops to prove that this is a bonafide marriage, it normally takes around a year from start to finish. In fact, practically all visa overstayers could marry a U.S citizen and adjust their status that way but many choose not to because that's committing fraud. As much as people talk about criminals, this is one thing that would be a no-brainer for any smart criminal to do.

However, most people are seeking proper means of correcting their status, not knowing that falling out of status means that there is no way for them to actually adjust their status. And if you are advised by the wrong attorney after spending $$$$? Good luck.

As to those who enter without inspection, many people are desperate and they come in to the country to help their families. As mentioned by another poster, NAFTA decimated Mexico. The geopolitical nature of immigration is that you can't separate immigration from world issues. This is why we had waves of Jewish, Irish, and Italian immigrants coming into the U.S within the 1900s. Mexico has ALWAYS been a border country of the U.S and only within the last two decades (which coincide with NAFTA) have we seen a dramatic rise in Mexicans crossing the border. Interestingly, though the U.S presents itself as a sovereign nation, its foreign policy over the years reflects less isolationism and more pulling its political weight and influence for its own advancement. Meanwhile, countries deal with the aftermath and the U.S says "it's not us, it's you."

Anyway, after Reagan's amnesty program and NAFTA, you have the Clinton administration passing the 10 year ban which effectively meant that for immigrants who came here illegally or overstay their visa, even if they return back to their home country, they are banned for 10 years from re-entering (legal petition and otherwise). As a result, many people stay rather than take their chances. Personally, I believe that if Clinton hadn't done that, we wouldn't see the estimated 11 million today.

Furthermore, I don't have the numbers, but I believe that if we looked at countries of the 3 million who received amnesty from Reagan, it would include Mexico, but not to the degree that people would expect for a border country (or even reflected by the numbers now). The reality is that the people who are coming in through the border NOW are immediately working and sending money back home. Many countries around the world have remittances as a sizeable amount of their GDP.

Which is why it is curious that people are framing the debate about citizenship when it's really about work. People want a greencard so that they can go home to their families as they wish, but if you have a travel visa and a work card... Most people would take it.

I don't understand why Black American history was brought into this, because as I see it, while you do have refugees from civil wars receiving asylum from many countries, the majority of foreign nationals who are entering are not fleeing a similar set of oppressive laws such as Jim Crow in their home country nor are they a persecuted minority. The ebb and flow mirrors the economy of their home countries.

I've argued on this board before that I do not and will not compare the black civil rights movement or even the gay civil rights movement to the immigration reform movement because there are few and far similarities.

I appreciate your articulate responses, and I do not agree with the name calling and assumptions that other Dreamers have made about you, just because people don't agree with our views (hey, at least you don't sound like a hillbilly!).

Just speaking for myself here:

I do not feel entitled to anything. I am well aware that the United States is a generous nation. The United States and the citizens do not owe me anything. It's true. I, however, owe the United States a lot and I would like to be given an opportunity to give back, to prove that I love my this country as much as you love it, if not more. I would like to prove myself, and DACA has given me a chance, but of course I'd like to be able to participate in the democratic process, and travel, and lots of other things I can't do right now with DACA only. I am all alone in this country, and perhaps if my parents were here I'd want the same for them, but they're not. They did, however, lived here without documents for many years. Life as an immigrant is not easy. All non-DACA recipients want at least an opportunity to work, to pay their taxes, drive, to live without fear of separation of their families, give back. Perhaps you see it as entitlement, but I don't think it is: it's simply humane (and kind of logical if you see it from a economics perspective). The law is not perfect nor logical nor humane, and I feel sorry for those who have to wait years for their families to be united. So the goverment is the blame a little(!) as well for making it impossible to legally emigrate for some people or fix their status (thanks President Clinton!), and because the goverment agencies that handles these cases (USCIS, DHS, etc) takes foreveeeerrrrrrrr, as in up to 20 years, to process an application. A lot of these undocumented immigrants have petitions pending, it's literally now just a matter of time. I wish I could add more to it, but I would take a whole lot of room, trying to explain myself, and still wouldn't change your opinion. Have a great weekend!