Where was Bernie? - Page 2

IamAman: "I get it Bernie-Bros. You're in your early 20's and blah blah blah".

Oh, you’re still at it.

Far too much noise and bluster; make a point and support it.
The magnitude of idiocy entailed in this artful smear - “Bernie bros” - I imagined, was self-evident. Apparently not.

Briefly. The label signifies (if it signifies anything at all, which evidently isn’t necessary in these discussions), that nonsupport for Hillary is explicable not by political conviction or ideology, but in the main by sexism, demonstrated presumably by the fact that men – especially college age men- and not women, support Bernie. Except this is abundantly not the case, since Sanders nationally has a near 20 point lead, 50% to 31%, among Democratic and independent women:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...ials/78810110/

The entire smear, inaugurated by a right-wing Tea Party supporter writing under a fake Twitter account of a GOP congressman, has been co-opted mainly to distract attention away from Clinton’s policy views, funding, and political history and directing it toward the online behavior of anonymous, random, isolated people on the internet claiming to be Sanders supporters. But I’m sure you were aware of that.

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know...ple-on-twitter

Incidentally, it never fails to amaze me how a person belonging to one routinely vilified group (undocumented immigrants), subject to all the usual unfounded attacks and generalities, can, when the occasion suits them, adopt and co-opt caricatures of other groups without a moments reflection.

"Sure he has softened his tone since he voted against immigration reform (don't forget that!) and he's trying to pander to the Latino and other immigrant voters, but in his heart, you are nowhere on the list of priorities."

Referring to 2007 vote? Yes, though not in opposition to pathway to citizenship or legalization, but more so due to his allegiance with labour. Your memory is very selective. He voted for the 2010 Dream Act and as I pointed out already, he has voted in favor of the Gang of Eight bill in 2013. He was also one of the Democrats to press Obama to take executive action (ie. DAPA) during Senate reelection year in 2014.

I don’t pretend to know anyone’s “heart”, I base my evaluation on their actions.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...licated-119190

But let me level with you – neither Hillary nor Bernie will do anything beyond what Obama has done in term of immigration, until or before 2020. Thanks in large part to current forerunners in the Republican side, who apparently didn’t comprehend the lessons of 2012, neither of them needs bother to pander to the Hispanic bloc until maybe 2019, when there is a serious contest for this demographic.

“He has lost big and won small and with California and New York coming up, he is done.”

Based on… what? Based on your observance of the flight patterns of African Swallows? Your powers of prognosis are apparently greater than that yielded from mere, mundane statistical analysis of weighted polling samples – most of which are still inconclusive as of yet due to lack of recent polling on NY and Cali. But what is interesting is that Sanders is surging again after lagging behind nationally for more than a month to Hillary, which is a good predictor of whether he will out preform polls or not.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...rk-democratic/
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...e-2016-n546966

“Once he loses, and he will lose, you best encourage your fellow Bernie-Bros to vote for Hillary or else you're in trouble. I'm sure you will see the true face of your Bernie-Bro buddies then because a lot of them have pledged to either stay at home or vote for Trump out of spite.”

Sigh. For someone who tries to strike postures of pragmatic self-interest above all else, you are a bit clueless.

Hillary is a fundamentally weak candidate. Putting aside her high negatives, second only to Trump, it’s a coin toss between her and Cruz (yes, f---ken Cruz), and she gets trampled by Kasich. Sanders in the general, is projected to beat them all by double digits:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ders-5565.html

The only Republican candidate Hillary can beat soundly is Trump – and Republican planners and establishment know this, which is why they are throwing in their lot with the universally despised Cruz and are hopping to bring it to a Convention. They would back Kasich, but their own rule, invented for the purpose of deterring Rand Paul, conditions that a candidate win eight states in order to be considered.

So far, he has only won two; Cruz is aware of this, his aim isn’t to beat Trump in the primaries, but to keep Kasich from getting additional states. Hence the exorbitant amount of money his campaign is dumping into Wisconsin.

There is more to be said, but alas!, world and time are too much with us.

You want me to support my point? 2007. It's on his record and will haunt him for ever when he loses the nomination.

I think what he wants is a CIR specifically for the youth... they'll really ignore the older crowd due to less productivity gains.

John stated it already. Bernies problem is that he's all about principle and that's protecting American jobs and wages. Adding 11 million new people into the workflow that can now work legally totally goes against his ideals of Americanism exceptionism. He was against the 2007 CIR because it supposly treated foreign workers bad. But ealier on he talked about adding more work visas would lower American wages. How can someone who believes this to the very core be pro DACA or pro CIR?


I have a BSEE with out DACA I wouldn't have been able to compete with other engineers. I would have gone back home and applied to another country to work. I was actually ready to look into plane tickets. Then bam DACA gets announced. Guess what Bernie I now can start competing with your previous Americans workers. And I didn't even come here with a work visa.


You guys think he would be happy to hear that from hundreds of thousand of us ?