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I would evaluate trump on other issues. Also I would evaluate trump on how his new policies are affecting the USA. If he succeeds I would support him.
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It still wouldn't change my view point about him. Dividing a country has its consequences. Just because he grants me a green card, I cannot selfishly be pro-trump. What about all those people loosing health insurance that will actually die. What about Women's rights? What about Muslims who have had to face the backlash? what about LGBTQ rights?
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The problem wasn't Obama.. The problem with people is he was black and we still have people who can't come to terms with a black president. It is the both Left and Right who are so divided that they are attacking each other instead of working with each other.
I will agree with this post. Both sides refuse to work towards bettering the country, and instead push their own agendas. That is the flaw is a country controlled by a 2 party system.
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How exactly has Obama divided this country? Lol Does speaking out against police brutality and Islamophobia count as dividing the country? Racial division went up with Obama because the racist republicans were too upset about having a black president that they had to let their anger out somehow. While Trump has not taken away any women's rights yet, he has been proven to be a misogynist with absolutely no respect for women.
You would think Obama would speak out AGAINST BLM, against all the riots that went on during some of the cases where the police shootings WERE justified.

You would think Obama would preach unity and help bring communities back together. But naw, he was too busy playing golf like when the flooding occured.




I would also like to point you to this great comparison of how the Right reacted to Obama's transition into the White house versus the Left's reacting this year to Trump transitioning into the White House. Speaks volumes if you ask me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fVsa8RR9q8

"While Trump has not taken away any women's rights yet, he has been proven to be a misogynist with absolutely no respect for women."
Your use of the word "yet" can only be described as moronic. He is not taking away any Woman's rights. Point me to any article or legislature he has proposed that shows otherwise.

"Proven" to be misogynist(ic). Where's the proof? Locker Room talk? The 18 or so Woman who decided to all simultaneously come forward about being "raped/harassed" after decades? Yeah sure, sip that koolaid man
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I will agree with this post. Both sides refuse to work towards bettering the country, and instead push their own agendas. That is the flaw is a country controlled by a 2 party system.
Let's not forget Mitch McConnell's comment in 2010: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

Of course it isn't just a Republican thing, but I do think Republicans have shown over and over that they are less likely to compromise than Democrats.
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No it would not change my opinion of him. As the president of this country he is still referring to the undocumented as illegals. Even if it is just semantics it speaks a lot at his views on us as Americans (albeit undocumented) and even as people. Whatever positive he may do for us as DACA recipients will not change and make me forget what he said against so many others and has already done to many within days of him taking office.

It seems like some people don't realize that there are DACA recipients that are black, mexican, lgbtq, disabled, women and muslim. There are some that even fall into many if not all these categories.

As a DACA recipient my loyalties will not change just because something benefits me. Mexico is the largest immigrant population simply because of its proximity to the US. What if Trump passes something that allows protection for all those except muslims and mexicans who he was most vocal about during his campaign. If you will then support him because it does not effect you, you should do some soul searching in what type of person you are and also learn your history.

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It seems like some people don't realize that there are DACA recipients that are black, mexican, lgbtq, disabled, women and muslim. There are some that even fall into many if not all these categories.
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You couldn't have chosen a more biased video, you might as well just send me an article from obamaistheantichrist.com to prove your point. It only takes a google search to see all the protests from republicans after the Obama inauguration. They were literally hanging Obama dolls from trees and burning it. You're against the people who are protesting for you to be able to stay and work here and supporting the ones who want you gone??
Defunding Planned Parenthood, which provides affordable services such as pap smears, birth control, and cancer screenings to lower income women is proof that his archaic beliefs are more important than women's health.
He has continuously objectified women, including his daughter, compared women to dogs and the fact that you consider someone saying he forces himself on women "locker room talk" tells me all I need to know, have fun supporting someone who believes you're a criminal.
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You would think Obama would speak out AGAINST BLM, against all the riots that went on during some of the cases where the police shootings WERE justified.

You would think Obama would preach unity and help bring communities back together. But naw, he was too busy playing golf like when the flooding occured.




I would also like to point you to this great comparison of how the Right reacted to Obama's transition into the White house versus the Left's reacting this year to Trump transitioning into the White House. Speaks volumes if you ask me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fVsa8RR9q8

"While Trump has not taken away any women's rights yet, he has been proven to be a misogynist with absolutely no respect for women."
Your use of the word "yet" can only be described as moronic. He is not taking away any Woman's rights. Point me to any article or legislature he has proposed that shows otherwise.

"Proven" to be misogynist(ic). Where's the proof? Locker Room talk? The 18 or so Woman who decided to all simultaneously come forward about being "raped/harassed" after decades? Yeah sure, sip that koolaid man
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Very well said!
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No it would not change my opinion of him. As the president of this country he is still referring to the undocumented as illegals. Even if it is just semantics it speaks a lot at his views on us as Americans (albeit undocumented) and even as people. Whatever positive he may do for us as DACA recipients will not change and make me forget what he said against so many others and has already done to many within days of him taking office.

It seems like some people don't realize that there are DACA recipients that are black, mexican, lgbtq, disabled, women and muslim. There are some that even fall into many if not all these categories.

As a DACA recipient my loyalties will not change just because something benefits me. Mexico is the largest immigrant population simply because of its proximity to the US. What if Trump passes something that allows protection for all those except muslims and mexicans who he was most vocal about during his campaign. If you will then support him because it does not effect you, you should do some soul searching in what type of person you are and also learn your history.

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Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

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Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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You couldn't have chosen a more biased video, you might as well just send me an article from obamaistheantichrist.com to prove your point. It only takes a google search to see all the protests from republicans after the Obama inauguration. They were literally hanging Obama dolls from trees and burning it. You're against the people who are protesting for you to be able to stay and work here and supporting the ones who want you gone??
Defunding Planned Parenthood, which provides affordable services such as pap smears, birth control, and cancer screenings to lower income women is proof that his archaic beliefs are more important than women's health.
He has continuously objectified women, including his daughter, compared women to dogs and the fact that you consider someone saying he forces himself on women "locker room talk" tells me all I need to know, have fun supporting someone who believes you're a criminal.
Everything is biased when it contradicts what your beliefs are. Love it!!

Let's analyze this critically rather than trying to compare peanuts to rocks.

"It only takes a google search to see all the protests from republicans after the Obama inauguration. "

When have you ever seen such a wide scale "protest" of a President being elected, in what is presumably a "democracy, where the people accept the democratic process". I don't recall seeing the main stream media blasting protests, riots, large crowds interfering with the public (blocking highways, roads, events) to such a high degree like today back when Obama was elected. In fact I recall 0 instances being put forth into the lime light because they were few and far between.

For every 1 instance you can "google", (you can google anything btw, doesn't prove a point. You need overall perspective which you seem to lack) you will find 10 fold the instances this year of riots, shootings, protests, acts of violence etc. towards Donald Trump and the "alt-right".

So no, the video is not biased, and certainly not because it goes against your beliefs and political stance.

"Defunding Planned Parenthood, which provides affordable services such as pap smears, birth control, and cancer screenings to lower income women is proof that his archaic beliefs are more important than women's health."

Defunding planned parenthood does not trifle or remove any Woman's right that I'm aware of. You may need to do some reading.
He has not said abortions will be illegal. Cutting funding which is used to subsidize abortions does not remove your ability to have an abortion. It removes the ability for woman to do it on everyone's tax dollars alongside getting those basic health care options for free.

Everyone is so "pro independent" until you bring up the fact that they need to rely on the government for money. Then again that is the whole point of being a Liberal in the first place.

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"You're against the people who are protesting for you to be able to stay and work here and supporting the ones who want you gone??"
This is the real world. There are no "teams", anyone who believes otherwise is a fool. Everyone is out for personal gain. That is human nature. Believe me when I tell you the Democrats don't give 3 shits about DACA. They use DACA to pull and maintain Hispanic votes and favor in the community, while also using the collected revenue from applications and taxes that we pay to also fund more "social" programs. All of which comes back around and simply increases the size and power of the government.
But no sweety, they are totally looking out for you and your best interest! You are so special that you are a priority for all Leftist in Washington. Please

And generalizing any group of people just makes you look dimwitted. Like I said, people are out for personal gain. Many Republicans also are pro immigration, pro reform etc. Not every Republican is a racist hillbilly and not every Democrat is a SJW Wellfare leech. You will never make progress as a person nor will this country ever progress forward if we keep using stereotypes to group people based on 1 aspect into a category.

It's called "divide and conquer", google it. That is what is really going on here.
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