Sen Hagan apposes Dream - Page 3

other then the fact that obama mentioned DREAM to be his top priority and something that he thinks can be done right away. same cant be said for CIR. obama is thinking baby steps. you are thinking home runs. CIR isnt happening. DREAM might have a chance. cant expect to legalize all 12 million people during times like this. what the obama administration is doing is securing the border right now. thats what his funds are being allocated for. DREAM should and could come next. CIR? thats too big of a meatball to swallow for now. legalization is going to happen gradually, not come out with a BANG.

Believe what you want, Bruin, but you're placing too much trust onto your own speculation. Obama did say he wants Dream as 'something we can do immediately' back in February 2008 during the Texas primary debate, but he also said during the entire campaign that he wants CIR in the first year of his Presidency.

Please don't mislead people and say that Obama never made CIR a priority. CIR is the only immigration issue he talks about to ethnic media like Piolin.

I agreed with everything, especially the quoted part
But again, some people will think we are backing up. We aren't.
This is a stragey. Give a reasonable time. They know they have to do it. DA will come first, please don't doubt anymore. These discussions are becoming pointless because we know DA is far ahead of CIR. Give CIR sometime. It would not happen before DA unless they do make DA attach to CIR which is a BS and a terrible decision. I am sure they wouldn't, because they know how important DA is follow by health reform and energy.


You comment is just like what we had discussed last time about the nation flags in the the past marches. Many people brought their home-country flags to the march. Such an action is a bad message to all the supporters and the Americans. So yes, don't do it again.
Don't expect too much at this point. All we can do is wait, work hard in school, work hard in your career, and help out each other here, provide correct information.

Guys, don't get yourself upset, everyone here knows the deal. Be reasonable.

I agree with most of you here.

No. CIR is going to happen. Why are you so upsetting? DA will happen before CIR because it has been re-introduced to the Congress in March.
CIR is going to happen soon, too.
Trust me. Obama said he is doing something (border security) basically showing his promises to all the Americans, so he can speeds up his promises on immigration reform, this includes both DA and CIR.
And Obama IS doing the border at this point, which is a great message to all the Americans and the CIR&DA people.

What if CIR doesn't happen this year? Are you going to curse at Obama? Forget about his words over the Congress. Life is never perfect. Just don't get upset. Everything will happen. He said millions of people are already here. He has to solve this problem. He has to come up with a solution. CIR is more complicated than DA. So be patient. We, everybody is doing something to give the best push to the DA and CIR. We just have to give the time.

There is nothing more to say about DA and CIR at this point. The Congress has its own list of things to do.

I believe that the economy held Obama back; on many things he was trying to do faster... I believe that he is a man of hes word. the reason he hasn't mentioned immigration publicly, is b/c he knows how people will go crazy; he doesn't want too much "nasty talk" to be thrown around. but he will do something. he is just trying to get those moderate votes by keeping the promise he made to Americans. he tries to please both sides, but he will not accept a "deport them all" type of mentality.

lol, im not upset, if anything you sound upset at the fact that im saying CIR has tough chance passing this year. hey, i never said CIR wont happen period. what im saying is that CIR wont happen this year, and probably next year. why? there are more important issues on the agenda ahead of immigration of such massive scale. health care, energy, education to name the few. not to mention the fact that obama wants to see the border secured first. all of that isnt going to happen within the next couple of months. and when and if CIR does happen, its going to be a gradual thing. they dont have the resource to legalize all 12 million people at once, its logistically impossible. they'll probably approach it in a scaled matter, one idea that was thrown before was based on length of stay. which is exactly where DREAM ACT comes in. border security first, then DA and maybe agjobs, then eventual legalization of 12 million people.

baby steps. not homeruns.

when did i say obama never made CIR a priority? dont make things up cuz its hilarious. obama said he wanted it during his first year of his presidency...yeah, before the economy blew up in his face.

CIR is the only issue he talks about to Piolin because majority of audience tuned to Piolin wants to know whats gonna happen with it. you think he's gonna talk about CIR on PETA.org radio?

^ Do you not remember what you wrote, Bruin?

So which is it? Is Dream a top priority as well or did the economy damage Dream's prospects too?

In my opinion, it does not matter if Obama wants it DA to pass tomorow. The truth is that our situation depends on the congress. The congress is that one who has to place it in their calendar. To be honest, we do not vote and they don't owe us anything in return. The day that CIR passes will be the day that all the senators and congressman have finished addressing issues of their constituency like health care and the economy. Until then I believe we will be in the back burner. I live 20 minutes away from D.C. and thats the reality around here. We have all had our dreams deferred and its the worst feeling in the world. But that should mean we can't write to congress or pushes the media to shine the light on the issues we face. Those are the things that we'll get us somewhere. But as long as there are others who drive drunk, commit crimes, or whatever we all pay the price as a group.

yes to both of your questions. yes, obama did mention DREAM to be something that can be done immediately, which cant be said for CIR. i remember what i wrote, you just didnt read my posts carefully. obama made CIR a priority, like i said, but not a top priority ahead of the economy that pretty much spoiled any momentum, along with healthcare, education, energy, etc.

did the economy damage DREAM's prospects too? of course. how could it not? everything was put on hold when this thing blew up in everyone's face.