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#21
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If I was younger and DREAM passed I would have joined the military despite having several degrees under my belt. But then again, I'm a person that took classes like 'military tactics' for electives in college.

Now I feel I would be too old to sign on the dotted line and commit to the years of service. Also, having been f*cked over with the DREAM for so long has soured my view on this country quite a bit.

But I still think military can be a great opportunity for a good number of DREAMers and it is a good bargaining chip to pass the dream act.
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Hey, don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think you fully understand the reason for the DREAM ACT... If you did, you'd never draw up a petition like this...

We love this country; this is our home, & we'd do everything in our power to make it a better place. We could study, be someone & add to its development, either in sciences, business, wherever; or we could offer the greatest service & sacrifice there is, and that is to join & serve in the military...

Some people would do anything to serve, they consider it an honor, not a "militarization" in any way. To suggest this, is somewhat of a hindrance to the progress & petitions made by a ton of us, in getting this bill passed. It also implies that you do not really understand what it means to be an American.

Maybe if you saw it from another perspective, you'd change your views... I respect your opinion, but I think it is wrong & unfair for the option of military service to be taken out.

Like I said previously, don't take this the wrong way, I'm just disagreeing with your opinion.
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The DREAM Act has been promoted as a chance for many undocumented youth to gain "legalization." It has been touted as an education bill. However, college attendance rates are low for many undocumented immigrants, especially latino/as. Little is done to help undocumented youth go to college. Therefore, this will force many youth to choose the military option as their only choice for legalization. We believe this is immoral and an unfair choice.

If you believe that the DREAM Act is flawed because the only two options are college or the military. If you want to see the military option removed from the DREAM Act, please sign our petition

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Stop the Militarization of the DREAM Act!

Greetings,

Though the DREAM Act provides a pathway to legalization for some youth by going to college, we believe that high school graduation rates and the resources available for our communities to obtain a higher education will give an unfair advantage to military recruitment. That is, we believe that the DREAM Act will cause a de facto draft. The military will prey upon the fact that the vast majority of undocumented youth will not go to college. It will prey upon undocumented youth because the DREAM Act does little to help youth go to college. While there may be youth who do in fact benefit, we believe that the cost of sending thousands of undocumented youth to war is an unfair, immoral and unjust price to pay.

That is why we urge you to remove the military component of the DREAM Act and replace it with 910 hours of community service or employment. The 910 hours of community service was actually in the original DREAM Act. We believe the service component was removed to force more youth to “choose” the military option.

Further, we applaud the youth who put their lives on the line and risk deportation in their struggles to pass the DREAM Act. We simply wish to push the DREAM Act in a more just direction, a direction which will not victimize immigrants in the US and civilians in countries which the US attacks.
We also recognize that the DREAM Act does not address our fundamental demand of LEGALIZATION FOR ALL. The DREAM Act does not stop the separation of families. The DREAM Act does not stop deportations. The DREAM Act does not stop the terrorism that occurs in our communities and our families everyday.
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1) The original DREAM Act already had the community service component. We simply wish this component to be re-added and replace the military component.

2) Military contracts are never for two years. They are always substantially longer. The DREAM Act is deceitfully worded to make the public believe that two years of military service is enough. Military contracts are generally for eight years.

3) The military will prey upon undocumented youth because less than 30% of latino/s have ever been even one day to college*

4) Only 11% of latino/as have a college degree. *

5) While latino/as are not the only immigrants affected, it is latino/a blood which will be spilled, because we have the lowest high school and college graduation rate of any group in the US *

6) What kind of “choice” will youth have with these statistics? It is not a real choice. It is an illusion that it is a real choice. The youth could also “chose” to return to their country of origin, but we refuse that as a viable option as well. This is their home and the youth wish to stay here, the land which they recognize and call home.

7) The DREAM Act doesn’t help youth graduate high school. If a single piece of legislation could help the horrendous high school graduation rates for minorities in the US, a bill would have been crafted years ago. Education disparities are complex issues that would be difficult to fix with simple legislation. After decades of disinvestment, it will take years or decades to fix our education system.

The DREAM Act doesn’t help make going to college easier. States don’t have to give undocumented students in-state tuition, and only 11 do. The DREAM Act doesn’t give students this benefit. It also makes federal assistance out the question. Pell grants are probably the single greatest thing that could truly help college attainable.

*- these are figures from the latest available US Census - http://www.hacu.net/hacu/Data,_Stati..._EN.asp?SnID=2

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The majority of dreamers don't support this crap....either go to school or serve your country.
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Um...why do they talk about latinos only? I think like 90% of asians have college degrees lol (sorry for stereotype).
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Oh btw, they're not FORCED to go into the military or go to college. They're choice if they want to be illegal the rest of their lives... I want to slap whoever started this petition...
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Ok, this doesn't even need to be an issue. Right now the issue is targeting those states that we were given regionally. Come on people, don't let little things like this distract you from the actual issue at hand: the DREAM Act!!! Military provision and all!!
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This thread is so annoying. Why haven't the mods locked it yet?
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This thread is so annoying. Why haven't the mods locked it yet?
Lol, it's called no one said anything offensive... yet!
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come on guys! just because the mods are busy doesn't mean you have to go crazy with this thread in order to get us to lock it!
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