Are Illegal Immigrants Really Taking Jobs Away From American Workers? - Page 3

Originally Posted by pup081

Illegal immigrants will offer to do the work cheaper and then complain later that they aren't paid enough or are disrepected and mistreated. One example, the meat processing industy used to pay as much as $20.00 per hour for many skilled workers, many plants were unionized, illegal immigrants started to come in and offered to work cheap, so many companies took advantage of this situation and began to hire them. As a result companies now treat these illegals like crap, harass them with firing or deportation, lowered safety standards. Why? Because an illegal immigrant is a dime a dozen. A lot of these kind of workers have little to no knowledge of basic hygiene because they have a limited amount out education and come from little towns or villages were there wasn't even running water. So many don't even know to wash their hands properly. I have seen time after time in women's restroom, a illegal immigrant mother will take their kid to the toilet and either not wash the kids or their hands or rise it for all of 5 seconds.
All of this is because they lack the knowldge of basic hygiene. This not to say that you don't have some US citizens who seem to take hygiene for granted, I and my family have never being one of them.

But the fact is in over the years as illegal immigrants have started to work more and more in the food industries, the rates of food poisoning in the US has gone up. In construction the rate of accidents and deaths have gone up since so many illegal mainly Hispanics workers are ill trained and companies look at them as a dime a dozen labor force. The companies know that if one illegal gets hurt or killed there is always another one to replace him or her. And yet many illegal immigrants will yell " They treat us like slaves". No, they don't, slaves don't get paid.
Illegal immigrant are the only people I know that willing run to another country in order to be so-called slave. No body made them come, they chose to come and become cheap labor.
Because they are cheap and illegal they will never really be respected by the average US citizen worker.
I know many of you are going to say how did I know some such as the mother I mentioned was illegally in the country? Simple I asked. Many times I've run into people who I thought were illegally in the US and simply asked a few questions, which generally end with do you have papers ? The illegal immigrant mostly will either say "No Papers, get silent, or pretend like they can't speak any English.

It is said they hide in the shadows. Really? No, they are down the street from me, in my malls and shopping centers, and working right in front of my face.
All state law enforcement ought to be able to ask if you are in this country legally or not.
I have been stopped while working in Arizona years ago and asked if I was an America citizen. I had no problem proving it by showing my driver's license. I got asked that when I was coming back from a short shopping trips in Mexico. I had no problem.
Anyone hearing my and seeing me knows I am an American. In every country I have ever visited, I was never assumed to be anything else. But I do stand up for the rights of legal US workers first and foremost.
I also feel if the Dream Act were to be passed, one other provision should be added and that is no
Dreamer could ever have duel citizenship period. Mexico until some many years ago didn't allow duel citizenship, once so many of it people illegally entered the USA it changed that law and even put a comic book to aid illegal immigrants to come into the USA.

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/002533.html

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/besto...-book-1886528/


http://www.dallas.org/node/108


Many US citizens are not fooled by this ploy. I don't care how much some of you boast that you are so much better than a US citizen worker. If that was the case you be in your home country building it up. Illegal immigrants are not helping to build the USA, because the USA was built long before you got here. The US worker has been one of the most productive in the world. So please don't try to feed me a load of garbarge that only an illegal worker is a good worker. You are cheap labor that is all.

Originally Posted by LifeDreamer

There is a restaurant called el gallo giro where I live..

Originally Posted by pup081

Illegal immigrants will offer to do the work cheaper and then complain later that they aren't paid enough or are disrepected and mistreated. One example, the meat processing industy used to pay as much as $20.00 per hour for many skilled workers, many plants were unionized, illegal immigrants started to come in and offered to work cheap, so many companies took advantage of this situation and began to hire them. As a result companies now treat these illegals like crap, harass them with firing or deportation, lowered safety standards. Why? Because an illegal immigrant is a dime a dozen. A lot of these kind of workers have little to no knowledge of basic hygiene because they have a limited amount out education and come from little towns or villages were there wasn't even running water. So many don't even know to wash their hands properly. I have seen time after time in women's restroom, a illegal immigrant mother will take their kid to the toilet and either not wash the kids or their hands or rise it for all of 5 seconds.
All of this is because they lack the knowldge of basic hygiene. This not to say that you don't have some US citizens who seem to take hygiene for granted, I and my family have never being one of them.

But the fact is in over the years as illegal immigrants have started to work more and more in the food industries, the rates of food poisoning in the US has gone up. In construction the rate of accidents and deaths have gone up since so many illegal mainly Hispanics workers are ill trained and companies look at them as a dime a dozen labor force. The companies know that if one illegal gets hurt or killed there is always another one to replace him or her. And yet many illegal immigrants will yell " They treat us like slaves". No, they don't, slaves don't get paid.
Illegal immigrant are the only people I know that willing run to another country in order to be so-called slave. No body made them come, they chose to come and become cheap labor.
Because they are cheap and illegal they will never really be respected by the average US citizen worker.
I know many of you are going to say how did I know some such as the mother I mentioned was illegally in the country? Simple I asked. Many times I've run into people who I thought were illegally in the US and simply asked a few questions, which generally end with do you have papers ? The illegal immigrant mostly will either say "No Papers, get silent, or pretend like they can't speak any English.

It is said they hide in the shadows. Really? No, they are down the street from me, in my malls and shopping centers, and working right in front of my face.
All state law enforcement ought to be able to ask if you are in this country legally or not.
I have been stopped while working in Arizona years ago and asked if I was an America citizen. I had no problem proving it by showing my driver's license. I got asked that when I was coming back from a short shopping trips in Mexico. I had no problem.
Anyone hearing my and seeing me knows I am an American. In every country I have ever visited, I was never assumed to be anything else. But I do stand up for the rights of legal US workers first and foremost.
I also feel if the Dream Act were to be passed, one other provision should be added and that is no
Dreamer could ever have duel citizenship period. Mexico until some many years ago didn't allow duel citizenship, once so many of it people illegally entered the USA it changed that law and even put a comic book to aid illegal immigrants to come into the USA.

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/002533.html

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/besto...-book-1886528/


http://www.dallas.org/node/108


Many US citizens are not fooled by this ploy. I don't care how much some of you boast that you are so much better than a US citizen worker. If that was the case you be in your home country building it up. Illegal immigrants are not helping to build the USA, because the USA was built long before you got here. The US worker has been one of the most productive in the world. So please don't try to feed me a load of garbarge that only an illegal worker is a good worker. You are cheap labor that is all.

Originally Posted by Erik1421

I buy groceries at H-E-B, I'm giving a jobs to Americans (Cashiers, managers, suppliers, manufacturers). In that grocery store, I bought bread, I made an american job (Bread maker) . I left the grocery store in my car which I bought from my own money, the one who made the car was an american (Car makers). I came to my home which I paid by borrowing from a bank, an american job (Loan specialist). I could go on, but you guys get the point. Any american claiming I took his job while I was washing dishes at a restaurant should go back to middle school and learn the basic courses which will make him a better American

Originally Posted by el gallo giro

I view this situation a different way:

What does an undocumented immigrant, making below minimum wage picking tomatos, really want after all these years? Legalization, citizenship, maybe?

Ok, if I'm that person, and I just got legalized and got my citizenship, do you think I will still work for that tomato farmer and making below min wage? I will at least seek a job that's indoors, in AC, like McDonald's or something like that, and I can go all over the US to seek such a job, I don't need to be stuck in the farming industry any more, I am legalized! If that tomato farmer still need me to work for him, he better pay me higher than min-wage and with full benefits, or else why wouldn't I work for McDonald's instead? But I think the farmer is not willing to pay or can afford to pay, so he's looking for newly arrived illegal immigrands. So this cycle starts all over again.

And this goes for all industries that are currently using illegals to the work, right?

Originally Posted by cooltalker

For this purpose, we need comprehensive immigration reform. Getting tough on illegal immigration while providing a path for those here to legalize.

"Getting tough on illegal immigration" eh, what right do you think you have to tell people not to come here illegally?

Nevertheless, your scenario doesn't apply to dreamers. Dreamers are definitely not fresh-off-the-boat immigrants.

Originally Posted by el gallo giro

"Getting tough on illegal immigration" eh, what right do you think you have to tell people not to come here illegally?