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05-02-2013, 09:47 AM
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I agree with everyone. But damn it still strikes my conscience hard. They're a sub-group who will probably be left out of the bill. And like the article mentioned there *are* people who are directly impacted.

Easy to say its 2 separate issues but if you are in their shoes... if you are given a slim chance to be included in the bill wouldn't you? Who can be humanly selfless enough to voluntarily watch everyone else get legalized and just resigning in pursuing your own rights.

What sucks more is that its diff from the age limit fight. We'd stand behind the older dreamers left behind but this becomes a little divisive.
There is no provision saying that gays can't legalize under IMA, so they are NOT being left out. They will be able to legalize the same way as everyone else via any of the 3 paths if they qualify (general, Dream Act, or AgJobs).

What they (and I'm not talking only about illegal immigrant gays) want is effectively a repeal of DOMA inside of IMA. Those are 2 different issues, 2 issues that can't be combined. Imagine a reverse situation, congress debates on legalizing gay marriage and then illegal immigrant groups demand overhaul of immigration system in the gay marriage bill.

What they need is to shut up and wait for a ruling on DOMA. If that is struck down then great for them, USCIS will allow gay couples to sponsor one another. If it is not then they need to take the issue to congress to repeal DOMA, but not inside immigration reform.
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05-02-2013, 11:36 AM
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So all of you are basically saying its okay for a straight couple to get married and speed up their legalization process now and not a gay couple who's lives are the same except for preference as to who they love? That's their issue and fight and it should be included in the bill you're basically being hypocrites and secluding a specific group of people just like everyone in the government does to all of us looking for a chance at a better future. Smfh
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So all of you are basically saying its okay for a straight couple to get married and speed up their legalization process now and not a gay couple who's lives are the same except for preference as to who they love? That's their issue and fight and it should be included in the bill you're basically being hypocrites and secluding a specific group of people just like everyone in the government does to all of us looking for a chance at a better future. Smfh
IMA is not happening with gay marriage included. It just won't pass. So the choice is: legalize like everyone else, or not legalize at all because your gay marriage derailed immigration reform.

They want marriage petitions they need to go through the supreme court or congress on their own.
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IMA is not happening with gay marriage included. It just won't pass. So the choice is: legalize like everyone else, or not legalize at all because your gay marriage derailed immigration reform.

They want marriage petitions they need to go through the supreme court or congress on their own.
It's been in process for years now but obviously people don't follow that either. Everyone will disagree it's just sad how hypocritical people get.
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I agree with everyone. But damn it still strikes my conscience hard. They're a sub-group who will probably be left out of the bill. And like the article mentioned there *are* people who are directly impacted.

Easy to say its 2 separate issues but if you are in their shoes... if you are given a slim chance to be included in the bill wouldn't you? Who can be humanly selfless enough to voluntarily watch everyone else get legalized and just resigning in pursuing your own rights.

What sucks more is that its diff from the age limit fight. We'd stand behind the older dreamers left behind but this becomes a little divisive.
They can legalize just like everyone else.. The federal gov doesn't recognize gay marriage so as soon as it starts doing so, then they'll just make it gays can petition for each other.. There's no point in trying to add in now when gay marriage isn't even recognized by the Feds.
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most illegals are mexicans and mexicans are religious and dont support gays, abortions, and things of that nature.. so gays need to go somewhere else with that. sorry. these gays are probably the same ones who want illegals to leave the country and say racist things behind closed doors. now theyre trying to use illegals for support. hell no
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most illegals are mexicans and mexicans are religious and dont support gays, abortions, and things of that nature.. so gays need to go somewhere else with that. sorry. these gays are probably the same ones who want illegals to leave the country and say racist things behind closed doors. now theyre trying to use illegals for support. hell no
The shit people say xD.

The fact is that this is a civil right issue and much like when blacks were demanding to gain full recognition as people, women's suffrage was not one of their priorities. One thing at a time.
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This subject is so touchy, I believe everyone should have the right to marry who they love. Including gay rights is a selfish thing the bill is going to be hard enough to get through congress adding gay rights to it would cause it to fail. It should remain a separate issue. Gay people will eventually gain the right to marry and will be able to petition their spouses for legalization but the time isn't now.
If we had a bill back in 2010 and not just the DREAM Act it wouldn't have made it as far as it did. We had to leave out our parents and loved ones out of it to try and help pass it, its the same situation now.
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There is no provision saying that gays can't legalize under IMA, so they are NOT being left out. They will be able to legalize the same way as everyone else via any of the 3 paths if they qualify (general, Dream Act, or AgJobs).

What they (and I'm not talking only about illegal immigrant gays) want is effectively a repeal of DOMA inside of IMA. Those are 2 different issues, 2 issues that can't be combined. Imagine a reverse situation, congress debates on legalizing gay marriage and then illegal immigrant groups demand overhaul of immigration system in the gay marriage bill.

What they need is to shut up and wait for a ruling on DOMA. If that is struck down then great for them, USCIS will allow gay couples to sponsor one another. If it is not then they need to take the issue to congress to repeal DOMA, but not inside immigration reform.
I'm assuming you mean INA,I'm not well versed on the law interacts with or restricts LGBT couples but I thought there were anti-sodomy statutes under Good Moral Character?

I also thought I read a past story where LGBT employees of the State Department are allowed to apply for an immigration benefit for their partner under this Administration if I'm not mistaken.
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