Obama predicts immigration reform no later than 2017 - Page 3

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It's one thing to do it for certain less undesirable illegal aliens, but doing it for 11 million illegals is political suicide for years to come. It will lead to Democrats losing seats and Republicans running against it for every election to come and push back CIR even more.

Sorry Brah, you're better than making strawman arguments. We all want CIR, but illegals who qualified for DACA and have had their entire life change because of it don't get to call the President of the United States names and especially not the same president who enacted it. Nobody here had a right to get DACA. And not everybody here qualified for it either.

it wont happen and it would pissed so many people off, DACA already gathered a crowd most people would look at a DACA for other people as just amnesty

I'd still be Hispanic, citizen or not and immigration would still be an issue. It'd be less personal and more racial, but still important.

Now if I were a citizen and a southerner or non-Irish New Englander, I suppose I wouldn't care about immigration much then.

I disagree. I'd argue immigration is a right we all have.

lets hear your argument and not the words of others Frank Knight, you are welcome to quote from that article, but please do be insightful about your position

I think Pres. Obama will not open this if it has not benefit, it can also be good specially to those who want to migrate, it can give them a chance to have a better life. For the past years, inflation has been an issue, so if this can help even if it is a little then why not.

From a basic natural rights framework everyone has the negative liberty to do as they wish so long as they do not infringe on the same right as others or their property. Migration, lawful or not, in itself does not do such harm.

We are not invaders. We did not pillage the homes we reside in today. We don't have jobs by use of violence or blackmail. We entered into consensual agreements to rent/buy our homes with others. We got someone to willingly hire us.

As such we all have the right to migrate; in the negative sense. This is different from the right to citizenship or the positive right to migration (we don't have the right to force others to pay for our moving costs etc).

We shouldn't need DACA to live or work here. The US government, and those who use it, are violating both our natural born rights and the natural born rights of those who freely associate with us when it uses coercion to stop us from forming agreements.

From a natural perspective, you'd be wrong. From a natural view of this, the USA as the top one in the food chain as every single right to literally just destroy any other entity entering its land with out them approving them. Naturally speaking, what does a top predator do whenever weaker foes invade its territory? You know what they do.

Naturally of course.


Naturally speaking, our own countries should make it to uphold our "natural given rights" so we shouldn't have to enter other countries in the first place.

You're either an egoist or you've never been taught natural rights theory. I suspect you've never been taught natural right theory.

Assuming you're an egoist though, you'd still believe that we all have the right to migrate. An egoist would point out that an individual is free to do whatever they manage to do. We have obviously managed to enter the United States. Therefore we are free to live and work here as we please.

P.S. We're dreamers, right? What distinguished a dreamer from a regular illegal alien is the fact that we've allegedly gone to college or will soon be attending. Go to your libraries and read some basic Locke people! Here is a link to some of his works. Even if you studied physics or biology, this is the sort of basic works that make up the western world's canon!