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11-07-2012, 03:24 PM
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I think any solution that doesn't involve easily obtainable temporary worker status is doomed to fail. Part of my solution is to create a temporary worker visa that any employer can apply for easily. With this temporary legal status you can get SSN, driver's license, and all the goodies but not unemployment insurance. Your status would depend on your employment just like H visa holders, so if you're not working and just causing trouble, you're not legal. You'll be given 90 days to change jobs, after which you'll be out of status. After you accumulate a certain number of years (say 10) of being a good member of society (no felony conviction) and a good taxpayer, you would be eligible to adjust status to a permanent resident (green card).

The key here is to make the visa easy and inexpensive to get by employers. If a mom & pop store can get you legal status, there really is no excuse to being illegal. This way the government is justified in setting up strong enforcement.

The only amnesty involved would be to allow current undocumented immigrants to sign up for the program by paying a modest fine, say $2000. FYI, current official fee (not fine) for adjustment of status to get a green card is $1070.
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You guys should focus on getting the immigration registry date updated!!!


http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00082ca60aRCRD

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/0...ithout-amnesty
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You guys should focus on getting the immigration registry date updated!!!


http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00082ca60aRCRD

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/0...ithout-amnesty
That is a flat out amnesty, it's not gonna fly.
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Did you even read?

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Q: What is the registry date?

The registry date is a cutoff date far in the past, currently 1972. Anybody who can show they lived in the US since that time will be considered to be a Green Card holder.

It is not an amnesty, but rather essentially a statute of limitations.

One of the major differences to an amnesty is that it doesn't matter how you arrived. An amnesty is inherently unfair because people who have been legally in the USA are usually excluded from it.
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I don't think DA or CIR should be restricted by age but more by the number of years lived and contributed to this country. That seems more fair to me.

That's the only gripe I have with DACA, that someone that came here when they were 1 year old and are now 32 cannot apply even after 31 years of life here (literally a lifetime), while someone that came here right before June of 2007, under 16, can apply after only being here for 5 years and barely being out of high school (life as an illegal only really is a struggle after high school). Not only are the years spent living here disproportionate between both, but so is the struggle and the contribution. It's just not right to deny someone who clearly has accrued much more life here over someone who has done so much less.
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Did you even read?
So it's even more lenient than an amnesty, as it benefits more people. Amnesty or this 'registry' doesn't work because it encourages people to come and stay put, because they know if they just hold their breath long enough they'll become legal.

I stand by my statement that this kind of proposal is not going to make it through Congress.

I will only agree to 'registry' for humanitarian reasons. If you are in retirement age (67) you should be allowed to file for permanent residence. So, the law should be tied to age rather than a specific year.
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the truth is many want to pay taxes but are scared they might be caught so they just give up on that. Also it will be hard to determine who was here what number of years....just look at our ordeal right now.
Not necessarily true. You can file taxes with an ITIN to not expose fake ssn used or lack of any.

Will not be so hard to determine number of years here with bank accounts, W-2s, paystubs, medical records, religion affiliation or organizations, bills, utilities, credit reports, etc..
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If i understand well some of you want tough guidelines for CIR while knowing that we have been in that situation and it's not at all fun but still u want others to live that ordeal too. I really don't understand this.

"be at least 27 years of age": you already eliminated about 2/3 of dreamers with that rule.
that is why I mentioned DREAM Act
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So it's even more lenient than an amnesty, as it benefits more people. Amnesty or this 'registry' doesn't work because it encourages people to come and stay put, because they know if they just hold their breath long enough they'll become legal.
Why is this even an argument? This is current law, all they need to do is change the date which they have done before. No laws need to be changed or added. You realize this is almost the same as DACA right? You would have to be here by the updated date. How does that encourages people to come here and stay put?

You're not making a lot of sense right now.

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I will only agree to 'registry' for humanitarian reasons. If you are in retirement age (67) you should be allowed to file for permanent residence. So, the law should be tied to age rather than a specific year.
There's no such thing in current law. You would have to write a new law according to you.
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So it's even more lenient than an amnesty, as it benefits more people. Amnesty or this 'registry' doesn't work because it encourages people to come and stay put, because they know if they just hold their breath long enough they'll become legal.

I stand by my statement that this kind of proposal is not going to make it through Congress.

I will only agree to 'registry' for humanitarian reasons. If you are in retirement age (67) you should be allowed to file for permanent residence. So, the law should be tied to age rather than a specific year.
It would not benefit more people. It would actually reduce the number of eligible people since there would be a specific date set. You would have to prove that you entered the country before 1996 and have also maintained continuous presence since then.

One date that has been floated is some time in 1996. If you search 'registry' here on DAP, there are previous discussions about why 1996 would be chosen and whether or not the Obama administration would be able to change the date via executive order.
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