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The new wave of DREAMers would benefit from their parents in the future after being petitioned by their legalized parents when they are in their late thirties or forties or even earlier if the parents establish businesses. Is it unfair? Hell no, they would still be getting a shot at coming into this country.

>It look like you are suggesting that people who come here 5 years ago get to stay and everybody else will need to decide between self-deportation or forever illegal

That's exactly what I am suggesting, and no, I don't care. If it were for me I'd even go as far as imposing more stringent immigration limits like those found in many European countries. Is it hypocritical? Yes, but just because I am illegal/undocumented does not mean that I have to agree with every single bill that could benefit those going through my plight. If you studied PEW's report on the undocumented population you'd change your mind.

Hopefully the new e-verify decree will scare employers shitless and dissuade them from hiring undocumented immigrants thus decreasing overstays and illegal crossings.

You do know that people who are in this country illegally can't be petition by their family right? I'm talking about people who are already here, not people who are coming.

I think that a working CIR bill should have a combination of thing. It should offer status to people who are here long enough, e-verify to prevent people from hiring undocumented immigrants and seasonal temporary work visa for farmer workers flexible base on the demand of workers.

Actually they can. I have personally been petitioned by a USC parent and have a pending I-130. People like me can just self deport to initiate the 10-year bar and by the time their pending I-130s become current, they become eligible for a visa. In some cases I-601 waivers can be used to allow them to change their status within the country. If they are not willing to leave, well, that's a whole different story.

By this logic, CIR is not even needed. Because everyone can just leave and 10 years later, they can apply to come by employment, family petition or other route.

What logic? There's no logic to this just like there's no logic in legalizing anyone in the first place. This is a purely humanitarian act backed by corporate interests. CIR is needed in the first place to legalize millions of adults already present and many of the people who came here as children. Like you've read in many news articles, many people will be excluded from this deal and this is completely fine. Stark exclusions need to be established in the system, otherwise you create loopholes that can be exploited in the future.

edit: Now that I think about it, if it were for you, you'd add a provision to the bill that allows relatives of those here illegally who come into the country illegally within one year after the passing of this bill, to benefit from it just for the sake of "keeping families" together. That would be fucking nuts. The US needs people who can integrate fully, not just people who work their asses off to send money back to their home countries or save enough to eventually go back and boast about having a green card. The majority of Hispanic, permanent residents who have been in the US for over a decade have no interest in applying for their US citizenship.

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This is exactly is. Notice how the people who are in the agricultural business need to stay committed for 5 years. Hate to say this but all this country needs to do is really just enforce their already established immigration laws and bam illegal aliens. Every other country , countries we are all from does. We don't say how unfair is it so why do we when we are in a country not authorized to e in?

It seems like your idea of balance is not balanced Holmes. We need strict enough requirements for this bill to pass. It might seem selfish but to help others you have to first help yourself. The bill needs to meet at the middle.

In the future, expect ICE raids to be incredibly embarrassing and damaging for companies and not inhumane as they are portrayed nowadays. Illegal immigration will continue being a problem as it is for countries with very large populations where it's easy to blend in, but you can expect the the numbers to be drastically lower, especially with the integration of more agents and technology into the system.

One concern for me is that an increase of legalized undocumented immigrants will encourage them to bring in relatives who 'want to spend the holidays' in the US. We Hispanics are so fucking lenient and compassionate because of our social values. This is the attitude that turns our countries into shit in the first place.

There might be another reasoning why for lawmakers as well and it's something I've had theory about.

I am no economics major,but bringing part of the underground economy into official GDP numbers might actually drop the Debt to GDP ratio.It explains why lawmakers are pushing this as mainly an economic plan....not a humanitarian one.I think they believe it would increase productivity,tax intake and in the future allow the US to continue to borrow.

2 years is a joke.