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Huckabee official immigration plan - Page 4

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#31
12-06-2007, 05:05 PM
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Good for you, you are an educated illegal immigrant, but guess what............you're still illegal............I do not share your opinion........my mother and father are not educated, but they deserve a chance too. Those cherry growers, apple pickers and drywall laborers as you call them are human too, did you forget that? They deserve a chance too..........Have you ever thought that those uneducated illegal immigrants have children that are now educated and skilled as you and I? Do you know why..........because those "cherry pickers" brought them here for a better life. Thank God for that!
Yes, well a mass legalization program is not happening anytime soon now is it??? As long as we try to pass DREAM with CIR, we'll just have to continue facing more time. Rahm Emmanuel has said that a Democratic President wouldn't tackle immigration until 2012 at the earliest. Maybe you can wait till then but I'm getting older as the years go by.

And its not like Congress will be acquiring more liberal Democrats. If the House or Senate picks up conservative Democrats, then any attempt at CIR will be blocked. Which is exactly whats happening now. The Democrats win in the 2006 elections allowed liberal Democrats like Pelosi, Hoyer, Levin, Reid and Durbin to take control of the Congressional leadership. Yet they can't pass CIR because the rank-and-file Democrats, which are highly conservative, vote with the Republicans. Reid and Pelosi have both publicly complained that they can't get their freshmen Democrats to vote with the party line.

So yes, I'm grateful that my unskilled parents brought me here but my parents are very troubled and anguished with the fact that I can't apply my educational skills here. So at this point, I'd rather have DREAM than CIR. And if that means making a distinction between skilled and unskilled then so be it.
Most of the freshman Democrats in the House were moderates and most of the rank and file Dems are certainly not conservative. The moderate House Dems are getting antsy about immigration, though, but if Dream came up for a vote, we have the votes needed to pass it. However, the House doesn't want to move immigration unless the Senate does and we know what happened there. In the Senate, its the 60 vote supermajority requirement that get us into trouble and we got 4 out of the 6 freshman Senators to vote for DREAM and 3 out of the 6 freshman voted for CIR (we almost got Webb to vote for it).

Also, there's no point in throwing other undocumented immigrants under the bus. As we have seen with DREAM, the antis make no distinctions between Dreamies and regular undocumented people.
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What scares me about leaving the country is the 10 year ban...

But not so much in this plan.
Even without the ten year ban, you'll still have to wait 10 years for a green card, unless your married to a citizen or a resident. Unless everybody here is willing to gamble on a temp visa, it's not a great solution.
Everyone's situation is different. I would live in my home country and immigrate to Canada because I have my loved one there who would marry me. My fear of the 10 year ban would be not being able to see my parents here in the U.S. However, if I'm allowed to visit during the time I'm living in my home country, it won't seem as bad and would probably make the one year "required" legal time that Canada asks for go faster.
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12-06-2007, 05:14 PM
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The Secure America Plan

3. Prevent Amnesty

* Policies that promote or tolerate amnesty will be rejected.
* Propose to provide all illegal immigrants a 120-day window to register with the Immigration and Naturalization Service and leave the country. Those who register and return to their home country will face no penalty if they later apply to immigrate or visit; those who do not return home will be, when caught, barred from future reentry for a period of 10 years.
I really thought Huckabee would have a better plan than this. It doesn't solve the problem at all.
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12-06-2007, 05:20 PM
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The Secure America Plan

3. Prevent Amnesty

* Policies that promote or tolerate amnesty will be rejected.
* Propose to provide all illegal immigrants a 120-day window to register with the Immigration and Naturalization Service and leave the country. Those who register and return to their home country will face no penalty if they later apply to immigrate or visit; those who do not return home will be, when caught, barred from future reentry for a period of 10 years.
I really thought Huckabee would have a better plan than this. It doesn't solve the problem at all.
first of all, not OUR probelm... i thought better of him but..... lets give dems a chance...*holds hand to heart lol who here would leave by the way??!! he should think about how are we gonna get back in here!! its millions!!! they wont give us all a chance.i think he won win with that one..
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12-06-2007, 05:42 PM
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He just wants to win the election.
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12-06-2007, 06:22 PM
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Check this :

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAct...iew&Issue_id=4

I oppose and will never allow amnesty. I passionately rejected the amnesty bill that President Bush and Sen. McCain tried to ram through Congress this summer after secret meetings of an under-the-radar cabal of amnesty-loving senators.

I opposed the misnamed DREAM Act, which was a nightmare because it would have put us on the slippery slope to amnesty for all. Because once we open that door even a crack, we'll never get it closed again.


FUCK HUCK!!!
All the republicans are the same. Watch out all you "conservative" Dreamies who want to jump on the Huckabee train. He's just like all the rest.
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12-06-2007, 06:24 PM
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What scares me about leaving the country is the 10 year ban...

But not so much in this plan.
Even without the ten year ban, you'll still have to wait 10 years for a green card, unless your married to a citizen or a resident. Unless everybody here is willing to gamble on a temp visa, it's not a great solution.
Everyone's situation is different. I would live in my home country and immigrate to Canada because I have my loved one there who would marry me. My fear of the 10 year ban would be not being able to see my parents here in the U.S. However, if I'm allowed to visit during the time I'm living in my home country, it won't seem as bad and would probably make the one year "required" legal time that Canada asks for go faster.
what i wonder is like if you actually go back home, and your US citizen fiancee wants to marry you and you're banned, would you still be able to come back here before that time with that K-visa ? just wondering..anyone know this?
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12-06-2007, 06:29 PM
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Yes, w/ a waiver.
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Keep fighting. No one is saying that low skill undocumented workers are less than human or that we deserve a better change. Right now, the enemy is kicking our collective butts. They are all high and thinking that they are America but forget about the mere masses that never vote and barely give a damn. The truth is that the Dream Act is in really bad water and it is very unlikely to be considered even in 2009. That is way we have to play our cards right. Right now many policians and pro-immigrant groups want to have their little own dent in history. They want some form of CIR but it is really though sell right now and since they are not the ones whose lives are going to be destroyed they don't mind waiting for the right time. As if that is something feasible in the near future. The Dream Act is important because if the Juan Gomez of the world cannot be grant a path to legalization, then what hope there is for the cherry picker? If the Dream Act becomes a law, the message will be clear that is possible to legalize the rest in chunks. We need to push groups and politicians to stop considering their lame arguments and take us out of this mess.
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12-06-2007, 07:27 PM
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I agree with most of what Rahman said.

Don't look just at party lines: Hagel, Lugar, Craig - many other Republicans were our supporters whereas McCaskill, Pryor and other Dems opposed us.

Advocating the CIR is in our interest but not at the expense of DREAM. We've been over this so many damn times at this point and yet we still need to explain it to people.

Every attempt of combining DREAM with any other immigration legislation has failed miserably. The most votes we ever got was as a standalone. All of us will be FAR more useful to our families if we are LEGAL than if we have to wait another decade for our whole family to become legal through some one broad CIR. Chances are that during that time we will all either be caught, leave, or get thrown out by some new bill.

If you're willing to give up having an education until you're 30 and work construction until then then go ahead and go on the damn crusade for a broad CIR. If however you're human and would like things...ANY things to get moving in the positive direction then you'd be smart to recognize that putting ourselves in the same boat as cherry pickers doesn't benefit either us or the cherry pickers.

Equality and all is very nice but I don't have have the financial resources or psychological strength to wait until I'm 60 for a nice CIR for everyone.
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