Children crossing the border - Page 4

They should all be allowed to enter the United States, yes.

The United States is rich enough. You've fallen for the mentality that migrants somehow 'steal' or otherwise reduce wealth. They, we, don't. We create wealth. The United States, and the world as a whole, is poorer because of all the barriers we currently have on migration.

If you haven't done so yet read Michael Clemens economic work on estimating how much wealthier the world would be if migration barriers were reduced.

I never said that they should be granted any sort of asylum or a free pass. I only pointed out my disgust towards those of you who aimed most of your anger at the fact that these were young immigrants coming here for a better life. It is clear to me that many of you are bitter about your situation. What worries me is that you expect the understanding of others (because you want daca) but cannot grant others the same compassion. I'm sure we don't all know the details, but my guess is that they'll try sending them back. Definitely my last post on this thread, but let me just say that bitterness will get you nowhere in life.


@ EditorInChief: Why the heck are you so worried about the national budget all the time lol... I say you take your own advice and volunteer some of your time to help others. I'm sure you can google your local soup kitchens. Good luck to you guys. I really hope those of you that aged out get your time soon.

Especially @IAmAman nice job with the masters degree!!
------ Try not to be so bitter guys!-----

Obama asked for almost 2 billion dollars to feed these new comers. The money could have been spent to support the seniors, the homeless, the sick, the veterans, etc.

These foreign kids/young adults/adults have their own country to take care of them. The US does not owe them anything.

The US is becoming poorer and poorer. There are budget cuts everywhere. Why do you think the country we are living in is still rich enough? Even if the US is rich, that does not mean the US should share the assets with the entire world. We need to save more resources for our own kids/seniors/homeless/veterans, etc. We are not rich enough to feed the entire world.

[quote=Frank Knight;531900]They should all be allowed to enter the United States, yes.



No, the new comers should NOT be allowed to enter the US. They are not dreamers and they are not eligible for DACA.

The new comers need to be transported back to their own countries.

The United States is becoming richer. The poor, rich, and middle class are all growing richer. There is some discontent that certain groups are growing richer more quickly than others, but over all we're all getting richer.

The US government has fiscal issues but that isn't because of migrants. It is because the US government is filled with idiots who haven't a clue about how to run budgets. If you want to fix the fiscal issues either get rid of said idiots or enter civil service and fix their mistakes. Restricting others from entering the US won't help one bit though.

And again, read Clemens paper on the issue. Immigrants make the United States, and the world at large, richer.


[quote=EditorInChief;531906]And what makes you so special? Be specific.

How many years would it take for them to become Dreamers? One year? Five, ten? Are you saying those Dreamers who aren't eligible for DACA don't deserve to be here?

These new comers have as much right to be here as anyone else.

Children from Central America, Syrian refugees, political asylees from eastern Russia, engineers from India, laborers from Mexico, farmers from Ireland, etc. etc. Let them all in.

Well this is kind of a moral dilemma.

On on hand I feel the moral obligation to unconditionally support these children as turning my back on them makes me feel like one our enemies and a hypocrite. Just like us they come here for a variety of reasons: to escape violence, for a better life. In a sense they are kinda like us, they have "suffered" in their own ways. The biggest different between them and us is that they have made the journey in a different era and under different circumstances. Perhaps many are really left with no choice. In an ideal world, people would fight back and try to fix the issues within their own countries, but better said than done.

On the other hand, I start to think of the same arguments the right frequently makes: that we cannot sustain the mass immigration to the country, that with unchecked immigration comes a lot of problems. This immigration problem serves as extra ammunition for the right to present their evidence that the immigration laws are not being enforced and will affect the chance of striking any bargain on immigration and future executive action; having this mass migration being tied to DACA is not good at all, and its already being done. The tolerance for illegal immigration is really being pushed and I really can't see many Americans supporting this cause.

It is not about owing anything, but what the law says when you have kids in custody, non-citizen or citizen.

Again, the issue I wonder is could NIYA be responsible for this? Their efforts were highly publicized and it takes a while to cross multiple countries.

There is no hypocrisy. The people who say we should be deported already have their green cards and/or are citizens. They already have what we've been desperately trying to get for decades. These kids are directly hurting our chances and are playing into the hands of our enemies.

I thought about that as well, Ianus. And honestly, I can't blame the parents of these children for wanting a better life for them especially when they come from some of the same countries we come come from and our own parents thought to flee violence, corruption, destitution, etc.

The timing sucks, I will agree with that. Because I don't see how an influx of children across the border will help presuade the President to authorize administrative relief. We know it's certainly not endearing our cause to the Republicans.