Trump at CPAC :DACA - Page 4
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We can no longer rely on the possibility of winning an election - House or Senate or White House- to excuse inaction and deportations. We tried that for nearly 20 years and they failed time after time. They win then sit on their hands. They could have done Daca and proactively negotiate a Dream Act deal. They did not. Now we have another chance before 3/23.
Trump wants the wall, we want protection for all Dreamers. Again, start by protecting all Dreamers and then let's mobilize for elections. Democrats do have leverage. Use it and fight for Dreamers! |
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Originally Posted by catportal
Let me explain for ppl that don't get it (probably very few at this point).
Trump is mad because without DACA fix he doesn't get WALL Dems are happy that SCOTUS adds delay allowing ppl to get +2 years. After NOV 2018, Dems will control HOUSE. From now til Nov, this is last chance for Trump to get ANY legislation done, WALL, GUN CONTROL, or INFRASTRUCTURE. As long as SCOTUS doesn't kill DACA, Dems will just do nothing until they get the house. |
Democrats have to either use leverage or cave. They are just as blameworthy for the inaction. Not pressuring them and kissing their asses only makes us their bitches.
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Originally Posted by dtrt09
We can no longer rely on the possibility of winning an election - House or Senate or White House- to excuse inaction and deportations. We tried that for nearly 20 years and they failed time after time. They win then sit on their hands. They could have done Daca and proactively negotiate a Dream Act deal. They did not. Now we have another chance before 3/23.
Trump wants the wall, we want protection for all Dreamers. Again, start by protecting all Dreamers and then let's mobilize for elections. Democrats do have leverage. Use it and fight for Dreamers! |
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srsly how can you be this dense?
are these the talking point that ur org provides for you? honestly all your posts are scripted as fuck.
and to the point that u say they have not been negotiating.. you are lying about this.
Gang of Six Bill was negotiated = Failed
McCain-Coons Bill was negotiated = Failed
Rounds-Schumer-Collins Bill was negotiated = Failed
Leverage = Pelosi tried to attach a Dream Act to the CR in the House but Paul Ryan wasnt having any of it because he controls the House procedures.
how can you not get it thru ur thick head that Democrats can negotiate all they want but they are not in control of the legislative agenda and procedures?
are these the talking point that ur org provides for you? honestly all your posts are scripted as fuck.
and to the point that u say they have not been negotiating.. you are lying about this.
Gang of Six Bill was negotiated = Failed
McCain-Coons Bill was negotiated = Failed
Rounds-Schumer-Collins Bill was negotiated = Failed
Leverage = Pelosi tried to attach a Dream Act to the CR in the House but Paul Ryan wasnt having any of it because he controls the House procedures.
how can you not get it thru ur thick head that Democrats can negotiate all they want but they are not in control of the legislative agenda and procedures?
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Originally Posted by dtrt09
They could have done Daca and proactively negotiate a Dream Act deal. They did not. Now we have another chance before 3/23.
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Originally Posted by versailles
are you getting paid by UWD to keep going on about ALL dreamers or nothing?
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theres nothing wrong with it, its just the original posters pattern is scripted as fuck. look at her post pattern.
she doesnt realize the political realities surrounding the situation.
she doesnt realize the political realities surrounding the situation.
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Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21
What's wrong with legalizing all dreamers? They all came with no fault of their own nothing makes you worth more than anyone else. You are in the same bucket don't think just because you have daca you are the one that needs relief more.
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Originally Posted by libertarian1776
theres nothing wrong with it, its just the original posters pattern is scripted as fuck. look at her post pattern.
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Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21
What's wrong with legalizing all dreamers? They all came with no fault of their own nothing makes you worth more than anyone else. You are in the same bucket don't think just because you have daca you are the one that needs relief more.
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where in my post did i say there's something wrong with legalizing all of them.
don't be so defensive.
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at this point bro, we might not have a choice in the matter.
best thing im hoping for is that SCOTUS will rule on our side.
Democrats can negotiate all they want but it will be shot down everytime because Republicans are in the majority, thats just the harsh truth.
and the fact dtrt09 is lying about Democrats not negotiating is misplaced and providing wrong information here.
THEY NEGOTIATED MULTIPLE TIMES and SHUTDOWN THE GOVT but it doesnt matter cause they dont control the agenda.
if something passes for us this cycle, it will be on Republicans' terms and will harm the rest of the immigrant community.
best thing im hoping for is that SCOTUS will rule on our side.
Democrats can negotiate all they want but it will be shot down everytime because Republicans are in the majority, thats just the harsh truth.
and the fact dtrt09 is lying about Democrats not negotiating is misplaced and providing wrong information here.
THEY NEGOTIATED MULTIPLE TIMES and SHUTDOWN THE GOVT but it doesnt matter cause they dont control the agenda.
if something passes for us this cycle, it will be on Republicans' terms and will harm the rest of the immigrant community.
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Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21
Yeah i always thought she was a little unreasonable. But the point she made about not waiting till elections is the thing i agree with because nothing is guaranteed.
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Originally Posted by Smooth
Omnibus bill. March 22/23.
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Originally Posted by dtrt09
We can no longer rely on the possibility of winning an election - House or Senate or White House- to excuse inaction and deportations. We tried that for nearly 20 years and they failed time after time. They win then sit on their hands. They could have done Daca and proactively negotiate a Dream Act deal. They did not. Now we have another chance before 3/23.
Trump wants the wall, we want protection for all Dreamers. Again, start by protecting all Dreamers and then let's mobilize for elections. Democrats do have leverage. Use it and fight for Dreamers! |
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