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Ah, it's that time of the season again. When guest / lurkers suddenly come out of the woodwork to sign up in droves as newbies. This can only mean that action is imminent pertaining to the movement of DREAM.

First of all, welcome.

Second, I hope everyone is gearing up for a call in session to your Congressional Representatives at the DC offices. Please call, starting tomorrow (March 24th). We currently have some DreamACTivist.org members who regularly post on this site, on the ground lobbying for the DREAM Act along with the USSA LegCon at DC. Support your fellow DREAMers by calling your Senators and Representatives tomorrow by asking them to support the DREAM Act.

I'm asking that everyone, instead of debating CIR vs. DREAM, to put in the effort to be active. It's disheartening and mindboggling to see people claiming that they've already given up, when the battle has yet to even begin. We have no control on the specifics (when it'll be put on the floor, if it will be attached to a certain bill, or what changes will be addressed to the provisions [which btw will probably be the original form pre-Oct 2007 / with no age cap]) And one can debate/speculate it to death how they feel DREAM should be progressed through for the best method of passage, spanning 100 pages of thread, it won't do us all any good. One can say how this needs to be taken out or that needs to be added, or it needs to be attached to this bill, etc. Ask yourselves if that actually does any good.

What we do have control on is positive exposure pertaining to the DREAM Act. What will help us, is our voice being heard by Congressional aides at the DC offices, asking for our Senators/Reps for their support of the DREAM Act. Please go HERE if you are unfamiliar with calling your Congressmen/Congresswomen.

Also please don't forget to involve yourself on other projects related to DREAM such as the DREAM Act petition as well as the change.org letter campaign which can be found HERE.

Shout out to OPTIMIST, where are you when I need you?


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I would first like to thank Juan for this good news! Secondly, My fiance is an undocumented non citizen here in America and came here when he was 3. He is the perfect example for whom this Dream Act was created for. Our future in terms of marriage is entirely dependent on this one dreamact [Don't ask why, family requirements for citizenship to wed thy daughter]. Let us hold hands and make way for change. No competent hardworking striving citizenship should fall short in success due to his/her undocumented status. Lets make a change =)

I dunno why people bullied you. Your point is clear and loud and those who insulted you are the selfish and ignorant ones. You have the right to support the dream act to help your fiance get his documents. Hell, you bring the point that this is not an immigration issue but a national issue that AFFECTS EVERYBODY NOT JUST DREAMERS.

A.Spero, what do you need me for? just ask, you got my email. i have been a jerk to NIck, my organizer, a pastor and many other people by not doing what I am supposed to do. I been out of shape since changing addresses. Anyway, you did pretty well without me.

Yes, some people are just making tantrums because....there is actually no real because. I mean, juan was nice enough to give us an update and it has not been a mystery that organizations and individuals alike tailor their comments to make a point.

The Dream Act has a lot of support as a stand alone bill, but no one is going to scream dream act when people talk they talk about immigration reform because when you want something you ask for more that what you are going to get is a good negotiation start. As for politicians, they have their own vision, goals and ambitions. What is their strategy? I dunno. All I know is that both Durbin, Reid and Obama himself need to feel some of our love back. They cannot ask for CIR or Dream Act is hordes of nativist are calling, faxing and giving their version of what america wants.

If you want them to start talking about the Dream act aside from CIR, talk to them and convince them. It is your job to bring your vision to the table, not theirs. People talk about this like it is CIR versus Dream Act which is not the case. Both Dream Act students and lettuce pickers serve a function is this country which is different. Rather, tell people why the Dream Act is important, why this issue is urgent and cannot wait for the economy, health care reform and even CIR- not because it is impossible but because our educated brains are needed to help the recovery.

Every time someone comes to the Journal, Bill Moyers asks why this issue matters at this time. If you cannot say why this is urgent and important and why this bill needs to be pass today, then do not complain when others cannot say it for you. Arguments convince people, power makes things happen. You need arguments to convince people and gather their energy to create power to change things.
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Ill take pretty much whatever they give me. At first i was thinking well whats the point of attaching them together, if CIR passes then we dont need the Dream Act.. but i guess if there are taxes and such involved in CIR, then if we are under the Dream Act we wont hav to pay. soo basically we get a different set of rules then the rest of the 12 million undocumented.. I guess thats what Obama meant when he said he doesnt want to pass any immigration bills in pieces but as one big comprehensive reform.. I hope to god they know what theyre doing and that they do know more than we do about how to get this passed.
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Wow.... where did all these people come from?
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Hey Everyone,

If I discouraged any of you, I'm sorry. That was not my intention. I was just briefing you on information I received from Reid's staff. I wanted to give you some idea of where they were really headed with DREAM. However, they did leave the slight chance that it would pass as a stand alone. Obviously, DREAM is one of the immigration reform pieces that is least controversial, so our job is to convince Senators and Representatives that it can be used as a stepping stone for further immigration reform. Also, even if DREAM doesn't come up until early fall, now is the time to write and call to congress before people like Numbers USA do. One of the crucial pieces of information the staff told me was that Senators form their opinion early.
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Stop jumping to conclusions. Some of you are giving up before the battle has even began. What caused this messed up economy was not hard working individuals willing to work for cheap pay. It was the richest of the rich (bankers).

Many of you are falling prey to divide and conquer spell the mass media has placed on the lower class.

Having broke citizens blaming their situation on broke "self-centered" illegals and broke illegals blaming their situation on broke "self-centered" citizens. We need to stop pointing the finger and realize that we are both fighting towards the same damn thing. A fair shot at the American dream for EVERY person living here not just the high and middle class.
try telling that to the general public. They dont care and just want a certain group to pick on to feel better about themselves. Like many, I agree that attaching this to CIR is a bad idea.
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Hmm. I just finished calling some reps. Seems like a breeze. Although when they ask you what city you are from you should say the city that person represents or they redirect you.
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Gosh, why is everyone so negative about CIR. Harry Reid has a very good point. This is the best chance it’s had in years. For starters, after the election, the first thing that Obama and McCain talked about was not the economy, or alternative energy, or McCain’s embarrassing appearance on SNL, but the importance of immigration reform, and how McCain would be in charge of drumming up support on the Republican side. Despite the crushing defeat, McCain is still the leader of the Republicans in the Senate (McConnell who?) and commands respect on the issue. This translates into guaranteed support from the usual suspects (Snowe, Brownback, Graham, Cornyn, etc) who would have otherwise claimed a change of heart due to the economy.

Secondly, last time Mel Martinez wasn’t able to fully lobby for CIR because of his leadership position. This time he doesn’t have to worry about that because he’s been stripped from all responsibilities of party unity. Not to mention that he doesn’t even have to worry about reelection because he’s quitting the Senate at the end of his term. I would argue that immigration reform is at the very top of his priorities, because for him, it’s much more personal. I was pleasantly surprised a couple weeks ago when he basically said that he couldn’t wait for president Obama to bring CIR up again.

But let’s say that Republicans get their panties in a bunch and go back to their xenophobic ways (at a very high political cost, of course), even then we’d probably only need McCain and Martinez if Obama really wants to get it done. How else do you justify Conrad and Tester and Bayh going along with the stimulus, and the budget (and in a few weeks the 2nd TARP)? They went on cable shows saying how this was too much wasteful spending and how they were loaded with earmarks, but when it came time to vote, knowing that Obama needed all of them to vote yea, they went along peacefully.

Democrats want Obama to get the credit for everything. Look at Nancy Pelosi. She was so negative about CIR during the Bush administration that it almost seemed like she was against it. Now look at her. She’s going to immigration rallies and calling those who support tougher enforcement “un-American”. What I’m saying is that their support was there all along, but so-called “blue dogs” and House Democrats alike weren’t willing to put their reputation, and chance of reelection, on the line for Bush. If Obama really wants it, he’ll make it happen.

The last point I’ll make is this: you’d be hard pressed to find a field that is more unanimous in their support for immigration than economics. If president Obama is able to frame it as a boost to the recession (and it seems like they intend to do so) it will certainly gain momentum in this political climate.

PS. There’s a very simple way of gauging how Democratic support will go for CIR. If all 58 dems vote for the Employee Free Choice Act and then they all vote for Universal Health Care you have your answer. Also let’s hope Al Franken is seated in the next few weeks, making them 59.
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I would first like to thank Juan for this good news! Secondly, My fiance is an undocumented non citizen here in America and came here when he was 3. He is the perfect example for whom this Dream Act was created for. Our future in terms of marriage is entirely dependent on this one dreamact [Don't ask why, family requirements for citizenship to wed thy daughter]. Let us hold hands and make way for change. No competent hardworking striving citizenship should fall short in success due to his/her undocumented status. Lets make a change =)
I would like to say i am in kind of the same situation! My boyfriend came here when he was 8 and has lived here ever since he is currently attending a community college trying to get his two years of college done but is struggling to pay for everything that accompanies attending college, such as books. my boyfriend has not asked me to marry him but he has said in the past that he wants to get all his status things sorted out before he gets married because people in the past have told him to marry someone just to get things straightened out. I know exactly where you are coming from and i hope that things work out for the best for all of us! I am SO excited about the re-introduction of the DREAM act and i can't wait to see where it takes us!
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I'm asking that everyone, instead of debating CIR vs. DREAM, to put in the effort to be active. It's disheartening and mindboggling to see people claiming that they've already given up, when the battle has yet to even begin. We have no control on the specifics (when it'll be put on the floor, if it will be attached to a certain bill, or what changes will be addressed to the provisions [which btw will probably be the original form pre-Oct 2007 / with no age cap]) And one can debate/speculate it to death how they feel DREAM should be progressed through for the best method of passage, spanning 100 pages of thread, it won't do us all any good. One can say how this needs to be taken out or that needs to be added, or it needs to be attached to this bill, etc. Ask yourselves if that actually does any good.

What we do have control on is positive exposure pertaining to the DREAM Act. What will help us, is our voice being heard by Congressional aides at the DC offices, asking for our Senators/Reps for their support of the DREAM Act. Please go HERE if you are unfamiliar with calling your Congressmen/Congresswomen.

Also please don't forget to involve yourself on other projects related to DREAM such as the DREAM Act petition as well as the change.org letter campaign which can be found HERE.

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