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Yeah, I'm sorry if my view offends anyone. It's a very hot topic. I am happy that you guys find love and peace in a different way than me. As long as we try to better ourselves and the people around us it's all good.
Dude, this is what it is all about. Personally, I don't think all atheist worldviews are silly. Naturalism is perhaps the one that I think to be the least rational, but even then I don't think it is silly. In the same way, I think that some monotheistic religions are not silly. I just happen to think that mere Christianity is the most rational of the religions that I'm talking about. Do I think these people are going to hell? lol, No, of course not. I don't even think most people, including myself, know what hell is. For all I know, when Jesus was describing hell, he meant people being away from him. That's the whole thing about my worldview, it is not perfect and there is much to be investigated with good rational tools. And yes, one day I might realize I could be completely wrong, but hey, my mental faculties is all I have and it is what I used to come to my evolving conclusions.
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Nobody ever wins in these arguments in person or online. When I was in my early 20's, I was living this gothy/industrial night club and they usually had these religions guys yelling out stuff about religion to people who were leaving this joint - many of them high as a kite or drunk. Their response to the religious guys was usually a big "fuck you!" , but not me! I tried to be the cool guy to have a normal conversation with them asking about how someone can be his own father and wouldn't that mean there are many gods so the idea of the trinity came up.

Did I change his mind? No. Did I change my mind? No. Was I late for IHOP where my friends were waiting on me? Yep! I was recently rejected by this born again christian girl though so maybe that was my way of fighting back. All I had to do was convert and I would have had her...but even then I knew I couldn't pretend.
It's not about winning an argument. At least not in this thread I hope. It should be about just having a conversation and being more informed. Oh, and I'm sorry you were shot down by that Christian girl and that you were late to Ihop. I've been shot down by both Christian and non-Christian girls, but I've never been late to IHOP. These things do happen though.
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It's not about winning an argument. At least not in this thread I hope. It should be about just having a conversation and being more informed. Oh, and I'm sorry you were shot down by that Christian girl and that you were late to Ihop. I've been shot down by both Christian and non-Christian girls, but I've never been late to IHOP. These things do happen though.
Oh come on, you know that's not true. The goal of most religion is to convert as many people as possible by any means necessary. Sometimes it's conversion by the sword like many parts of the middle east and during the crusades, sometimes it's by acting all nicey nice by saying "Hey buddy, have you heard the good news?" , sometimes it's at the line in the bank when for no reason a stranger starts asking you to find jeebus. I tend to get along with Jewish folks because not a single one has tried to convert me - in fact I don't think they want me.
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Oh come on, you know that's not true. The goal of most religion is to convert as many people as possible by any means necessary. Sometimes it's conversion by the sword like many parts of the middle east and during the crusades, sometimes it's by acting all nicey nice by saying "Hey buddy, have you heard the good news?" , sometimes it's at the line in the bank when for no reason a stranger starts asking you to find jeebus. I tend to get along with Jewish folks because not a single one has tried to convert me - in fact I don't think they want me.
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It's not about winning an argument. """""At least not in this thread I hope."""""


It """should"""" be about just having a conversation and being more informed.

Again man, everyone knows about the crusades and that religious "people" have done some bad stuff, but that does not mean that there is no God. In the same way, just because atheists like Hitler did some bad stuff does not mean atheism is wrong either. Dios mio IamAman lol. Well, I'm glad you get a long with Jews. It seems to me that you see people who believe in God are silly, at least that's what seems to translate across your writing. I'm sorry that's the way you feel. I don't know what else to say. If you have serious questions I'll do my best to answer them. Anyways, I do agree with you that Christianity as atheism has had some messed up people do some messed up things. I also agree with you that there are some messed up and crazy religious people out there.
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Oh and about being shut down by the Christian girl, I think I was 22 at the time and still trying to find myself spiritually. I still had just shed the old label of my state sanctioned religion and she was even younger than me and her entire world was her religion. She had all the answers. She knew exactly what she was going to do with her life, she was going to stay a virgin, etc. Well, the virgin thing didn't last too long when she met her first boyfriend who I'm 99% sure was a dreamer...I won't give details in case it was one of you lucky bastards on here. I digress.

Still, at that age, I was kind of hurt because I thought Christianity was the kinder religion of the other one, but it seemed all that love and peace stuff went out the window when it came to dating. She told me she could never date someone else who was not a born again christian. I was like "so I could be a good non-christian, help others, don't rob, don't steal, etc., but I'm out where as someone could have committed a bunch of crimes, was a terrible person but as long as he accepted someone as his personal something, he would be good?" The short answer is yes.

I actually did go to Easter service and Sunday School with her at her baptist church and it was eye opening. They were dissing everybody - "Catholics don't have a direct relationship with god like us" was one question answered by the teacher. Someone else asked about his friend's brother who had killed himself and the answer was pretty much that he was going to hell. The service wasn't bad, but about what I expected and of course I was on their mailing list after that getting bombarded with money requests.
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Oh and about being shut down by the Christian girl, I think I was 22 at the time and still trying to find myself spiritually. I still had just shed the old label of my state sanctioned religion and she was even younger than me and her entire world was her religion. She had all the answers. She knew exactly what she was going to do with her life, she was going to stay a virgin, etc. Well, the virgin thing didn't last too long when she met her first boyfriend who I'm 99% sure was a dreamer...I won't give details in case it was one of you lucky bastards on here. I digress.

Still, at that age, I was kind of hurt because I thought Christianity was the kinder religion of the other one, but it seemed all that love and peace stuff went out the window when it came to dating. She told me she could never date someone else who was not a born again christian. I was like "so I could be a good non-christian, help others, don't rob, don't steal, etc., but I'm out where as someone could have committed a bunch of crimes, was a terrible person but as long as he accepted someone as his personal something, he would be good?" The short answer is yes.

I actually did go to Easter service and Sunday School with her at her baptist church and it was eye opening. They were dissing everybody - "Catholics don't have a direct relationship with god like us" was one question answered by the teacher. Someone else asked about his friend's brother who had killed himself and the answer was pretty much that he was going to hell. The service wasn't bad, but about what I expected and of course I was on their mailing list after that getting bombarded with money requests.
Yea, I've been to some really intense services that scared the shit out of me. That's why I think it is important to know that being Christian does not imply that such a person is even a good person. Actually, Christianity kind of predicts that people are going to be shitty in general lol.

For the most part, I only subscribe to mere Christianity. I go to Catholic and Episcopalian services for more of a social thing; I love receiving communion, singing, and shaking peoples hand during service lol.

But yea, there are crazy ass Christian people as there are crazy ass atheist people.
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I really don't understand whats the need for atheists to come into a topic not meant to prove if there is a god, and do just that.

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I really don't understand whats the need for atheists to come into a topic not meant to prove if there is a god, and do just that.



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To be fair you have to answer questions that people have to try and spread the word.
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I am not saying religious groups aren't also guilty of this. But people who do this, both religious and atheists are shitty people. Half the times it isn't about proving anything but who argue better using as many tricks in the book as possible.
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To be fair you have to answer questions that people have to try and spread the word.
Well, I think that question is easy to answer. Often times people want to talk about what they feel happy about. I think that is just a part of being a social human. I do agree that such an action should be done without being rude or disrespectful. For this reason, I hate it when certain religious people go out onto the street screaming and yelling how people should repent or risk going to hell. As a Christian, that drives me nuts! lol. But again, to each his own.
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