Pelosi Rules Out Grand Bargain on Immigration: A Wall in Exchange for Legal Status - Page 5

Republicans have had decades to show good will and pass any sort of immigration reform and have done nothing but shoot things down. Expanded DACA, DAPA, letting CIR die on the vine...they are the ones who need to show good will first before they can be trusted. Don't believe fake news.

Great post, I agree with pretty much everything you said.

I think you were referring to me when you mentioned legalization without citizenship. I said the Republicans were proposing legislation, not that they had introduced legislation. Even if they had, hundreds of bills a year are introduced that die in committee and I probably could find one that stated it if I looked hard enough.

Maybe I should have said, "House Leadership" was proposing that. Cantor and Boehner were bringing up Legalization without citizenship as a way to get something done while claiming they had not been supporting amnesty and pissing off the 'crazy caucus'.

Boehner was going to ignore the Hastert rule on immigration like he did on VAWA to get something done on CIR, and the conservatives pressured him on that.

In the end, the 'crazy caucus' got rid of Boehner and Cantor anyway.

Legalization without citizenship was a non-starter because the Gang of Eight bill had passed with a fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate. S.744 gave a path to citizenship for everybody, so going to just legalization when they thought citizenship for everybody was a done deal, would have been a step back.

I am not looking at either party as good or bad, just a politicians. For me, "Politics is the art of the possible", which means, "It's not about what's right or what's best. It's about what you can actually get done".

I think about what can be done on CIR, not which party is doing it.

I don't get mad about improbable hypotheticals.

Exactly. People on here are already turning their backs on Democrats because of a hypothetical thing that Republicans might do and forget the horrors the Republicans have actually done and are doing to immigrants right now.

Well all that makes sense but DACA being alive is not really hypothetical. It's a fact. And not only is it alive, but Trumps hardcore conservative fans are actually starting to support Dreamers/DACA recipients. As far as I'm concerned that is enough to get me on board tbh with you. It's definitely sad there isn't a solution YET for the rest of the undoc population but I sincerely see that coming soon!!