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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just to add to this, we can only worry about what we can control, and that is our lobbying efforts. We have work to do if we want dream to pass!
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Hey Everyone,

If I discouraged any of you, I'm sorry. That was not my intention. I was just briefing you on information I received from Reid's staff. I wanted to give you some idea of where they were really headed with DREAM. However, they did leave the slight chance that it would pass as a stand alone. Obviously, DREAM is one of the immigration reform pieces that is least controversial, so our job is to convince Senators and Representatives that it can be used as a stepping stone for further immigration reform. Also, even if DREAM doesn't come up until early fall, now is the time to write and call to congress before people like Numbers USA do. One of the crucial pieces of information the staff told me was that Senators form their opinion early.
Hey Juan:

Do not feel bad, we welcome your output and your hard work. It is just that some members are very young and some times they need the reassurance of other members. Some are jerks, but for the most part they are very young and we are talking about complex issues.

Yes, it would be nice if the Dream Act was put on the floor as a stand alone bill and it would increase its changes tremendously. Yet, doing that is pretty hard because we are dealing with higher powers. Organizations, politicians and activists that have their own visions and ambitions. Do we have the power to influence them? then let's do it, otherwise we are given a set of cards and we have to play those no matter how we feel about it.

Now, we are already doing the hardest part, being undocumented students in the USA. Getting to this country was the hardest par, going to school with all the odds against you is the hardest part, we can make 10 pounds of bread with a pound of flour. We do it every day, we can do it here.

Remember, lots of yeast, lost of yeast, lots of work, lots of work to compensate for everything else.
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Thanks for the update Juan, don't worry too much, the information you provided can be put to good use. I agree with you that the time to start pushing is now, we can't afford to wait until the last minute to start pushing.

Now, to the new members, please familiarize yourself with the legislative process, there are plenty of very informative threads for you to find. The introduction is simply the first step, it doesn't mean it's going to be discussed a few days later. So there is plenty of time for negotiations and we just have to stay informed so we can roll with the punches. Focus on what you can do, check out the take action section, email dreamactivist.org if you want to find a local org or if you want to start one, come out to teachers, friends, and family, and get on the phone right now. Nobody will do it for you, not in this dog eat dog society.
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Check out this important thread in the taking action section.

http://dreamact.info/forum/showthrea...146#post122146
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Stop jumping to conclusions. Some of you are giving up before the battle has even began. What caused this messed up economy was not hard working individuals willing to work for cheap pay. It was the richest of the rich (bankers).

Many of you are falling prey to divide and conquer spell the mass media has placed on the lower class.

Having broke citizens blaming their situation on broke "self-centered" illegals and broke illegals blaming their situation on broke "self-centered" citizens. We need to stop pointing the finger and realize that we are both fighting towards the same damn thing. A fair shot at the American dream for EVERY person living here not just the high and middle class.
OH my God!!!!

What is wrong with you 5th ward??????????

CIR has no real chance of passing!!

This website was made for the passage of the DREAM Act, that's why its called DREAMACT.INFO otherwise it would be called IMMIGRATIONREFORM.INFO!!!!1

We are trying to pass the DREAM Act here!

If you want to work towards somethign that won't happen this year, then push for CIR.

Of course I would like for other people to get their papers too, but this is about the DREAM Act and its beneficiaries, not CIR-related people!

Take your poetic crap about justice somewhere else because Republican lawmakers and moderate/conservative Democrats wont lisetn to it cause they look at polls, not poems

THe DREAM Act is the only thing that can pass this year...period


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OH my God!!!!

What is wrong with you 5th ward??????????

CIR has no real chance of passing!!

This website was made for the passage of the DREAM Act, that's why its called DREAMACT.INFO otherwise it would be called IMMIGRATIONREFORM.INFO!!!!1

We are trying to pass the DREAM Act here!

If you want to work towards somethign that won't happen this year, then push for CIR.

Of course I would like for other people to get their papers too, but this is about the DREAM Act and its beneficiaries, not CIR-related people!

Take your poetic crap about justice somewhere else because Republican lawmakers and moderate/conservative Democrats wont lisetn to it cause they look at polls, not poems

THe DREAM Act is the only thing that can pass this year...period


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Well neither does it help to differentiate ourselves as other than CIR related people. As if, they are less than us or we are more deserving than them. You might not mean it but that is how you sound. Guess what? many of the people who are going to talk to the moderate conservatives/liberals to pass the dream act do see that we are different but not more deserving than other groups. Yes, those lame liberal crazies are the champions that move the issue, not the moderates that are waiting to be convinced. Speak in a manner that helps you.

Neither does it help to claim that the Dream Act attached to CIR will fail, if the circles of power decide that they want CIR then CIR it is. As mention before, we are not dealing the cards, nor have the privilege to be picky. We are going to play by the rules of others and give our best to win. Unless of course, if you have a million dollars to contribute in campaigns were it counts or have direct access to key members of the Congress...or a million citizen relatives. What are you going to do if they attached it? I know that I am not going to give up and that's that.

Every single member in this site wants the Dream Act as a stand alone bill. Period. Some of us still remember the 2007 Vitter punch in the gut. Still, people open their options because they have to, otherwise we can wait until 2200 to get things our way.
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There is a difference between being brought over the border as a minor vs consciously crossing the border as an adult. The whole existence of the Dream Act plays to that fact. Some of us have spent their entire life in this country, use English as their primary language and would find it more difficult to be thrown back into a culture that we do not know then someone who grew up outside the US and would be returning to where they grew up.

So, we are absolutely more deserving! We’ve done nothing wrong not to deserve it. Where as a CIR recipient consciously broke immigration law we did not.

Why do you think they want to stick the DreamAct with CIR? They know we are harder to deny a path to legalization and want to play on the “emotional capital” the story of dreamers provides to force through CIR.

I personally have no problem trying to pass both at the same time but I am afraid that it may die a slow painful death in the current economic situation. I just want the DreamAct to be re-introduced as a standalone or attached to something like the education bill if the CIR-DA combo fails.
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There is a difference between being brought over the border as a minor vs consciously crossing the border as an adult. The whole existence of the Dream Act plays to that fact. Some of us have spent their entire life in this country, use English as their primary language and would find it more difficult to be thrown back into a culture that we do not know then someone who grew up outside the US and would be returning to where they grew up.

So, we are absolutely more deserving! We’ve done nothing wrong not to deserve it. Where as a CIR recipient consciously broke immigration law we did not.

Why do you think they want to stick the DreamAct with CIR? They know we are harder to deny a path to legalization and want to play on the “emotional capital” the story of dreamers provides to force through CIR.

I personally have no problem trying to pass both at the same time but I am afraid that it may die a slow painful death in the current economic situation. I just want the DreamAct to be re-introduced as a standalone or attached to something like the education bill if the CIR-DA combo fails.
Totally agree. . . .the major reason that Dream Act is easier to pass the Congress than the CIR, is because the general public believes that we, who were brought to this country involuntarily as children, DO DESERVE better treatments. And WE DO! Why should we be the ones to blame, why should our lives and future be ruined and why should we receive the punishment for the mistakes our parents made?
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So, we are absolutely more deserving! We’ve done nothing wrong not to deserve it. Where as a CIR recipient consciously broke immigration law we did not.
Like our parents, for example? People who need work and fill the jobs Americans don't want to do? I think those people need this as much as we do. I don't think all Dreamers are deserving of getting legalization just as not everyone deserves American citizenship. The best thing to do is take action and get the calls, faxes, and letters going asking the senators and representatives to support Dream. It's up to THEM and let's try to get something going instead of debating on who's deserving and who's not.
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Like our parents, for example? People who need work and fill the jobs Americans don't want to do? I think those people need this as much as we do. I don't think all Dreamers are deserving of getting legalization just as not everyone deserves American citizenship. The best thing to do is take action and get the calls, faxes, and letters going asking the senators and representatives to support Dream. It's up to THEM and let's try to get something going instead of debating on who's deserving and who's not.

Thank You. That pretty much sums the whole deal. I am not debating whether someone deserves something or not, just to focus on what we need to do and, I don't know.

Again, this is a public forum. A lot of people come and read what people say. Just because you have the freedom to say anything, it does not mean you should exercise it if it hurts you. Do not offend people who are fighting for you. If you want to debate something to death, I suggest using private messages.

People who usually defend the Dream Act are usually in favor of CIR. Those are the people who are organizing events across the nation in support of you. Why do you make them question their support by being irrational and mean to another group that is doing nothing against you?

I am honestly asking for a solid response because I have been repeating myself like a stupid jerk in several posts and now and then the same old beaten donkey comes up again and bites me in the ass.

And Yes, I am going to defend CIR, not because I want to fight or debate any of you but because again, when someone comes to the site, we want to show our better face.

Finally, focus instead in why we cannot wait for CIR. It will take too long and many of us are needed in the game now. I cannot be hired back in my job where I helped communities fight for clean water. A nurse cannot get hire because of her legal status. People are doing research that is important and imperative for the cure of diabetes. J6 is an economist and God knows we needs those right now. Instead of posting any more hate, post why are you needed right now in your community. What is your degree? What do you hope to accomplish? How you are going to help this country to get back to where it was before the banks played with the market?

If you are truly deserving, you do not need to compete with strawberry pickers for legalizations. You do not need to put them down. You need to say what you are. That's that.
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