Democrats should stop negotiating with Republicans over Dreamers. (Opinion) - Page 6
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Originally Posted by FinAnalyst
I know you keep resorting to personal attacks, that’s just low and typical of someone that doesn’t have a counter argument.. I’ll let it slide as I do not wish to stoop down to that level.
A US citizen is either allowed OR NOT allowed to sponsor their parents/siblings. Those are the only choices available, how would you change those without taking away the right? You also keep trying to pivot to a us vs them. The argument should have NOTHING to do with “functioning adults living in another country” THEY like us, have no rights in this country. It is the US citizens rights that matter, they are the ones LEGALLY sponsoring THEIR immediate relatives. The US government could give two shits about a foreigners rights, but they protect their citizens rights to being able to sponsor a parent/sibling. |
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Originally Posted by versailles
of course you deflect and don't answer the question, because you know your answer would be hypocritical.
the world is not black or white, there's more than two options in almost every situation. your kind of thinking is why we still don't have a solution. this conversation is done, you keep on pretending like i didn't just explain to you multiple fucking times that the issue isn't with a USC sponsoring immediate parents or siblings, it's what happens afterwards that's the problem. read a book or two. |
What exactly happens “afterwards”? A now naturalized US Citizen decides to exercise their rights of sponsoring THEIR parents/siblings? Oh look, we are back at square one because THEY are a US citizen and have that right!
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Originally Posted by versailles
you could put a limit on how many people you accept by way of sponsoring a year, for starters.
that's more into what lawmakers decide, but it doesn't hurt to have a dialogue about it. |
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Originally Posted by JayR9
And they could have dialogue about it. Why does it have to be on the DACA bill? Why would anyone listen to a party that wants everything for just one thing. Trump will learn very soon: Pigs get fat, Hogs get slaughtered.
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both republicans and democrats benefit from importing the extended family members of foreign USC.
for anyone that's not an indoctrinated neo-liberal. these articles clarify the negative impact of the diversity lottery and goes somewhat into the chain migration problem.
http://thehill.com/opinion/immigrati...cans-the-shaft
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1079100001/
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Originally Posted by versailles
you started off good, with not outright rejecting this, but then you went off into god-knows-where-land. changing chain migration does not have the votes to pass the senate.
both republicans and democrats benefit from importing the extended family members of foreign USC. for anyone that's not an indoctrinated neo-liberal. these articles clarify the negative impact of the diversity lottery and goes somewhat into the chain migration problem. http://thehill.com/opinion/immigrati...cans-the-shaft https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1079100001/ |
You're disillusion to think that a DACA bill should solve all the immigration problems. That's what CIR is for.
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http://dreamact.info/forum/
You're disillusion to think that a DACA bill should solve all the immigration problems. That's what CIR is for. |
where did i ever say a daca bill should solve all the immigration problems?
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now you've gone completely of to who-the-fuck-knows-where-land
where did i ever say a daca bill should solve all the immigration problems? |
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You're deflecting. I don't disagree that there should be negotiation and a solution to the visa program. I personally don't care if chain migration is resolved or not as long as it's resolved in a CIR bill. Answer this: Why should visa lottery and chain migration be apart of a DACA bill?
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you're the one that made the leap in logic that made you think i wanted all immigration problems solved with a daca bill, and now you're backtracking because you can't prove i said that.
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Originally Posted by versailles
buy a dictionary, i'm not deflecting.
you're the one that made the leap in logic that made you think i wanted all immigration problems solved with a daca bill, and now you're backtracking because you can't prove i said that. |
You're a dumbass. You need to buy a brain. Then maybe you can comprehend and debate intelligent people on this forum. Sadly, you're just a Trump loving hick who thinks he knows it all.
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Lmao your can't answer the question can you. I know what deflecting is but let me stoop down to your level.
You're a dumbass. You need to buy a brain. Then maybe you can comprehend and debate intelligent people on this forum. Sadly, you're just a Trump loving hick who thinks he knows it all. |
i was going to answer, but you decided to get all butt-hurt. but i still will, because you're so out of touch with what i'm actually saying, it's cute.
if diversity lottery was part of a daca bill, it'd be easier to pass the house and get trump's approval.
there you see, it's not that hard to know why that works sweetie. you just have to think a little.
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Originally Posted by versailles
"you are wrong because i say so"
"negotiations didn't start until i think they did" sure thing, buddy. whenever your posts are this long and can be deduced as something so uniformed and ignorant, you need to rethink your positions on things. republicans have a set number of things they want to get done, they can not do these things without giving something in return. as much as some of you want to whine and scream at your computer screens that citizenship should be given to you automatically because you're more american than the near 1 million people that the US hands out GC's to a year, sadly, that's not how this country works. deals and negotiations have to be made in order to get things done, except in a super majority where you can do whatever the fuck you want. so naturally, a reasonable person, would come to the conclusion that concessions have to be made on both sides. and guess which party is the side that has more levarage?? |
Also that was a tangent that you took this discussion on. Your only attack on my argument is that it’s too long. If my argument is too long for you to follow, then you have no business lecturing anyone on anything since you are functionally illiterate.
Regarding the question of leverage, explain your thoughts on why the January government shutdown happened.
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