My idea to reform immigration. - Page 7

Kaisaurus · 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloudless

Yes.

The Democrats control the Senate, but the Republicans control the House. If House Republicans don't agree with it, nothing is gonna happen.

So......this is a lengthy version of ditto?

It's time for you to get moving again and find out who are for and against the DREAM Act in both houses.

So sassy, I'm going to chalk this up to toxic shock.[/quote]

Cloudless · 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaisaurus

So......this is a lengthy version of ditto?

Not exactly. You said 'republican senators', they are less important because Democrats are the majority in the Senate. The most important component is actually Republicans in the House of Representatives, which are not senators.

Sorry to split hair, but DACA is a product of some very smart lawyers splitting hair about what's allowed and what's not allowed under current law.

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So sassy, I'm going to chalk this up to toxic shock.

I mean 'you' as in 'you all'. This very site (dreamact.info) was set up to collect information about senators and house representatives in regards to their position on DREAM Act. A lot had been collected already.

DreamOn · 11-08-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jrpallares

There is going to need to be a cut off date for entrance. Perhaps greater than 5 years-10 years. So 2002-2007. Evidence for that presence. Good moral character. Etc.

Almost like a set of requirements I read about recently. I think they called it....Deferred Action.

jrpallares · 11-08-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamOn

Almost like a set of requirements I read about recently. I think they called it....Deferred Action.

That's precisely what I mean... although with slightly more strict requirements.

Skycap · 11-08-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NotAPro

As to how I believe some changes to DA should be;

The period of time for continuous residence in the US should be at least 10 years from the date the Law is passed (Say you're 18, minus 10 years, you're 8, the essence of the classification as Child is preserved.)
Entry at 15-16 years of age can't change, this is imperative as to preserve the essence of classification as a Child.
Military Option should remain, but it should be 4 year contract (At 4 years you're not granted granted any Conditional status, you're granted Legal Permanent Residence and honorable discharge a condition to keep LPR at the end of the 4th year or current status in the military) 2 years for Conditional status.
Education Option should remain, but it should be so accredited education is Prioritize (4 Year University versus Certificate) 4 Year Diploma should be a minimum for Change of Status from Conditional to LPR. No 'For Profit' educational institutes, Community College programs a minimum for Conditional Status. If you allow 'For Profit' avenues you'll just have people buying their Diploma's rather than doing it right, 4 year University. Community College's can offer many Certificates, but would also required a General Education component which will be a barometer to the essence of being a 'Dreamer'. And maintenance of Conditional status is dependent on the measurable progress toward completion of this requirement, for example if it takes you 2-3 years to go from Freshman to Sophomore then you're Conditional status cannot be kept.
For sanity an age cap can be set at 35, but realistically one is not even needed, for example say there is a 40 year old, he would have to proof entry before 16, have proof of the aforementioned and then have proof of continuous presence since he was 30. Then he would have to follow the Military/Education Req., Military is probably out of the question, and college at 40, would be very unrealistic, but still a cap would fix this issue.

If after 2 years you cannot produce, a dishonorable discharge/current military status you're not granted LPR.
If after 2 years you cannot produce measurable advancement in your Educational program you cannot keep Conditional status, if you do, the Conditional status is renewed 2 more years and the previous applies.
If after 2 years/or 2 years after renewal of Conditional status you cannot produce a 4 year diploma from a University you are not granted LPR.

This again is very tough, but this cannot be a 'Piece of Cake', it's the DREAM Act.

If you don't like this then apply under CIR.

CIR should have the 10 year residence component almost mandatory, maybe more to discourage anymore illegal immigration, 15 years I would say. Otherwise this would almost be an "Amnesty" and never pass.
Change the Registry to 1992.
1 Felony / 3 Misdemeanor rule applies.
Basic English and Civics test.
File any back Taxes. (But be allowed to pay these during the Conditional period)
4 year minimum Conditional Status.
Adjudication within 12 months but no longer than 16 months.
Work Authorization for a year, extension until approval or final denial of application.
Appeal process.
Allocate more money for Border Security, focus on Virtual border, more CBP agents.
During this time No Felonies after application and 1 misdemeanor rule should apply (Criminal Activity should not be condone.) If you violate this condition your Conditional status is cancelled.
E-Verify or similar(Third Party that checks federal databases) program mandatory. E-Verify or similar check mandatory for new hires immediately after the enactment of the law and a one time check of all workers 16 months after enactment of the law.
Visa Overstayers and Unlawful Entries have 10 year ban, no waivers.
VISA for AOS to LPR should not be automatic, you get a quota based on the current limits. SO you don't go to the Front of the Line, you get in line like everyone else. But it should be proportional to the number in any Family Based category.
Number of Family Based VISA's should be raised for 2 years to double what it is now or to AOS anyone currently waiting 10 years to AOS. (So if the Priority Date current right now for a particular category is 1996 it should move to 2006 in 2 years time or whatever is greater.)
No change in employment based VISA's to discourage Foreign Employment. Encourage USC, LPR, and Conditional Status workers priority (Since Conditional status is basically all the benefits of LPR you will benefit of all rights and privileges of LPR.)
A Guest Worker Program. And if abuses from Employers is proved a VISA to grant Conditional status should be setup.
Foreign students who Finish a STEM Bachelor's/Master's from a US University should be granted Conditional Status. Cannot spend more than 180 days outside the US during the Conditional period. And have to be employed by a US Company/or a company who employs you in the US or be enrolled/finished a Master's degree program in a US University.
A fine of $1500 for unlawful presence.

That is by no means an 'Amnesty', and a Background Check etc. all applies for both programs.

This sounds great. If you want your green card, earn it.

Kaisaurus · 11-08-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloudless

I mean 'you' as in 'you all'. This very site (dreamact.info) was set up to collect information about senators and house representatives in regards to their position on DREAM Act. A lot had been collected already.

You're right, I've only recently began looking into the politics behind immigration outside of my own situation and have plenty more to learn. even though all this was covered back in sehool

MDxOD · 05:56 AM

lol i cant believe you all are proposing ideas like it will actually matter to the people who will really make the proposals =/. But since its 4am and im bored, i will say that that age cap should go back up to 35. The year it passes (assuming before 2016) - 1986 (Reagan) = a range between 27 to 30. I dont think giving +5 years (which would assume that the oldest individual would have entered the US in 1986 at age 5) is asking for too much.

Second, Go in order this time with cases and adjudications by date of entry. Everyones always about "getting to the back of the line"...create a different line first.

-Priority for those who entered with a Visa and start from the earliest date (which is probably like 20-30% of total)
-Move on to those who EWI (sort applications based on when they can prove earliest entry)

-Use DACA as a reference and waive proof of eligibility up until June 15th, 2012. They should be required to show proof that they resided in the US between June 15th, 2012 - Date of Enactment.

Drop that "conditional status" before being able to apply for LPR bs. A year or two at most to show we're not insane and we are law abiding. A lot of things in this country (especially advanced/specialized educational paths in health sciences) require LPR, let people who are capable be on a path to save lives already.

This is only for a "Dream act" variant. Things are going to get a lot more complicated if they start CIR which includes people of all ages.

carnivore · 11-09-2012, 05:45 AM

okay.

MDxOD · 11-09-2012, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AB323

You guys should focus on getting the immigration registry date updated!!!

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00082ca60aRCRD

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/0...ithout-amnesty

That registry date is ridiculous. It should be like 92 or something...but realistically they'd probably change it from like 72 to 82.

AB323 · 11-10-2012, 08:57 PM

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but realistically they'd probably change it from like 72 to 82.

The Regan amnesty already covers those who came here before January 1, 1982. I think it should be changed to at least 1992.

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