Flake plans new push on Dreamers - Page 8
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Originally Posted by VeryNicePerson1
NO DREAM ACT, THEN NO WALL MONEY...SIMPLE.
If you want fucking wall money, you better pony up and start from the bare minimum of a Dream Act or GC/Citizenship path for Dreamers...INCLUDING AGED OUT DREAMERS!!! If the repubs are floating some fucking bullshit extension as some half assed attempt, then they only deserve a half assed attempt in return. Dems, you failed us already...so now just hold your ground...and don't give them any wall money, UNLESS THEY GIVE DREAM ACT OR AN EQUIVALENT!!! |
It is going to be a mess- employers, universities, cities, hospitals, do not support ripping people apart after a lifetime in the U.S!
Older Dreamers have careers, homes, FAMILIES AND PARENTS who depend on them. Cruel bastards.
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Originally Posted by dtrt09
Dream Act or Dreamer Protection or Daca extended whatever you wish to call it for all childhood arrivals including aged out Dreamers. No DreamAct, then no $$ for the wall.
It is going to be a mess- employers, universities, cities, hospitals, do not support ripping people apart after a lifetime in the U.S! Older Dreamers have careers, homes, FAMILIES AND PARENTS who depend on them. Cruel bastards. |
A reasonable Dreamer bill (Or DACA bill...whatever...) that the majority can agree on, and then give Trump some of his wall money.
He wants 25 billion? Then really have to get into the nitty gritty details of what exactly is in the Dreamer / DACA bill...not just some one time extension or just taking DACA and copy pasta it into a bill for votes and then asking for 25 billion...
I just believe that the wall money is a huge pool of leverage, and the more you give away, the less you have left, simple.
But I have seen rumors that Trump really doesn't care about a wall anyway...so ultimately...all of this is probably for naught.
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Originally Posted by VeryNicePerson1
No problem engaging in some debate...it is only healthy.
And I hear ya on your arguments...and I am ready to share life jackets with you...but here is how I see it. This whole immigration thing is a farce, it is chaotic, and it doesn't seem like it will ever go anywhere...now something that seems lame like a DACA extension as a bill sounds promising, especially when you would end up giving the arm and the leg that is 25 billion for some bullshit wall...it sounds so promising that you figure, as long as the Dems just give in, then Trump will be like "LOL YEA BABY!", and boom we get our extension, and he gets his 25 billion. But then where are we after that extension ends? What then? Where are our supporters? Where is the whole Dreamer movement across the country? Can Dems offer 25 billion more to Trump (If he is reelected) to get him to give some more??? I don't know if I explained it too well...but that is what I am worried about. I think what little leverage we have left if any, can possibly be used to ink a Dream Act like bill, if we are at a point in giving 25 billion fucking dollars for a stupid fucking wall. |
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Originally Posted by Smooth
Anything can still happen. What I find interesting is that the Republican party is still pushing for a fix. My theory: the GOP wants to take the issue away from the Democrats, so they do not use it in the midterm elections.
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