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Official Election News Thread Nov. 3rd - Nov. 7th 2020 - Page 81

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Looks like his supports already think that the votes were stolen from Trump. Bernie's warning coming true. Looks like Trump may not step down easily without a fight.
More likely he is looking for a deal. End all the litigation against him and the trump organization for peace.
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he's going to have a hard time fighting all these lawsuits. he doesn't have a concise messaging for his cases.
Lawsuit just dismissed lol.
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Looks like his supports already think that the votes were stolen from Trump. Bernie's warning coming true. Looks like Trump may not step down easily without a fight.
The Republicans planned this all along. They didn’t let some states start counting the mail in ballots earlier so it would look suspicious because Trump was leading before the mail in ballots were counted. This is very obvious since more Democrats voted mail in rather than Trump supporters who voted more in person. Trump started his propaganda and conspiracy theories about mail in ballots weeks in advance. Now his campaign says they are going to take it to the Supreme Court if Biden ends up winning Pennsylvania and have mail in ballots thrown out and all this other mambo jumbo. They’re all crooks and are going to do everything they can to steal the election.
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Lawsuit just dismissed lol.
lol, it's tough to rule against Democracy. Even judges can be forced to resign or removed by the people. Time for Trumper and Trump to sink to the abyss.
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Unfortunately I can see this turning deadly once Biden gets the win. His supporters are ready to kill and they just need an excuse.
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President Biden.

Trump supporters can suck my GOP.
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Wish dems could have gotten the senate. Very weird how house is in trouble. Not sure what this says.
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Alright, PA Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar says it's likely we could know by TODAY the winner in the state of PA. The outstanding 550K +/- votes are being counted today.

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For Trump to win Pennsylvania, the Secretary of State would have to be very, very wrong about how many mail ballots aren't included in the current results tally
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The problem now is that anyone trying to address will be labeled a liberal, socialist, or leftist. Dem need a deep internal review, get their message, get their plan, and get their people in line. They have 4 years to change their message because the Trumpers will be out next election. There is a good chance Dems lose the house during mid-terms based on what we are seeing now.

Main Focus- needs to be Covid, Jobs, Economy
It's not the right time for complete immigration reform, but you can sneak some parts in there when covid settles.
Daca, TPS, and so on can garner enough support as long as it's a narrow bill.

As unpleasant as that sound, that is the reality of the situation.
Very true. However immigration factors into the economy. Firstly, everyone pays various taxes regardless of your immigration status. Sales tax and property tax (if you rent you pay it monthly via how much you pay for rent). They also create demand because everyone needs to eat, have shelter, etc, which employs people. If you remove this demand and remove tax payers that pay to the local / state level, then it will take longer for the overall economy to recover.

Imagine if the US could get a bunch of tourists to come into the country. Buy food from stores, get hair cuts, go to places. Basically the tourism industry and it for sure creates jobs and stimulate the US economy. This is exactly what undocumented immigrants are and what they do. If you remove them, then it's like removing tourists when your economy is hurting. This is why the previous generation republicans didn't care that much about illegal immigrants. You can see it in policy too, like Texas. Texas only has a property tax and sales tax that's higher and no income tax. Think about why they did that. Now if "tourists" leave Texas, then they will be hurting for money.

Addressing "dey took our jobs" crowd - we are now in an age of robotics and the Internet. If you call tech support these days, chances are you aren't talking to an American. So companies are already hiring a non-american outside of the US. Those non-americans don't eat in American restaurants or use any of that money in America. So if you have the option, you would prefer the one that says well.....at least the person I pay will use that money in the local economy in the US rather than paying someone in another country and that money is never seen again. When it comes to robotics, the problem is worse or on par with outsourcing because you only need to pay for the robot once, that robot will work 24/7 and doesn't "spend" money it only needs electricity.

If they kick out all the undocumented immigrants, the "blue-collar" wages will go down regardless and you don't benefit from undocumented immigrants paying taxes and spending into the US economy.

Even for DACA people, most will have savings because they're worried about what happens next. Just think about the undocumented immigrants. If you give them some protection and certainty, then they will spend money that's long term like buying a house or a car. That's a lot of parked money that will be spent in the US.

Obama gave the DACA people the ability to pay every tax an American pays and more (like DACA renewals cost) but DACA people are not eligible for a lot of government benefits and the DACA people are happy about that. Just think for a second how crazy that is and how good of a deal that is to the American tax payer. DACA people pay just as much tax but get less benefits, and they're happy to do so. One can say DACA people pay for the price of being brought to the US as children everyday, just to be in the country they've known. It is one of the best economic policies in recent history. Imagine the same happening to millions of undocumented immigrants instead of just 800k DACA people. You will definitely stimulate the economy.
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Guys can we stick to the election I dont want the thread to get derailed....someone always ends up arguing
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