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In his defense I don't think he knew despite the year posted on your user name.
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In his defense I don't think he knew despite the year posted on your user name.
The Year is kind of hard to miss... and i definitely do not look like anyone around his age
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What is it that you think you desrve if you don't mind me asking? Sometimes I just don't understand the sense of entitlement shared by most DA beneficiaries? Just be happy ICE hasn't cracked down like it should. BTW I hear they might be getting alot more funding from the Repub majority leaders in the House....
you live in a very mythical world where you are secure on your life and thus don't have any idea about how immigration law works. You might just like yourself way too much buddy to be blabbering about who of us paid taxes and what not. But i can guarantee you one thing, no person that came legally here has endured enough "test" than us here. I already explained from my earlier post that you have this image in your mind of "legal immigrants" of being some kind of good and dandy angels that patiently waited in line and did all the right things to come here.

You don't understand that if you really took a more careful look at how people came and what documents they came with; you will see a whole different set of legal immigrants. I see more motivation and accomplishment from individuals that don't have papers or got them by struggling in the system. Now people like you are so closed minded that they don't care about what someone does here, you just wanna see the legal way and the hell with whether they go on public welfare or Medicare when they come here at 80 yrs old from a petition. Well, keep them; they are your fellow legal residents but don't cry "they never paid taxes" later on.

And I can get my fiancée to sponsor me to become legal if this doesn't pass. Am I going to look down on the other people who didn't have the luxury to get someone to be with them?, NO, cause while I have endured enough, they have done even more. It's not a sense of entitlement, but a sense of fairness and understanding. And if it doesn't pass, that's fine.. you wont see me begging for food at your doorstep.

Being a citizen is being part of a contribution to your society. And about the craphole other countries comment, theres a reason for everything that is the way it is; other powerful countries with a bigger cannon sure did help. Your no better than some kid that washes dishes in China who learned algebra while you were on diapers. Lets just say you were the lucky one and I'm the lucky one too.

and you even know what ICE is? have you met or talked to one?.. they are not the assholes you think of in your mind.. their superiors are though and the immigration courts whose job is to find reasons why you shouldn't be accepted. They make money from keeping you out; not it. And the good dandy lawyers who just want to win the case, lawyers who got their certification from your schools.. man don't they love to help you, but what they love even more is praying on desperate people for insane amount of cash and feeding them to an interview that they know will fail just to make the real
'ca-ching' at the appeal$ that follow.

your way of thinking is set in stone, loosen up a bit and realize that laws are not a cookie cutter formula
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The Year is kind of hard to miss... and i definitely do not look like anyone around his age
eh, chessmaster doesn't seem like that kind of guy. But you never really know a person =P

And you look older than 15 based on your picture.
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eh, chessmaster doesn't seem like that kind of guy. But you never really know a person =P

And you look older than 15 based on your picture.
Good point, he doesn't seem like it... but on the picture, i dont agree lol i have a baby face (:
And do you by any chance know of a list of Senators who are a 100% Yea on the DA?
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Good point, he doesn't seem like it... but on the picture, i dont agree lol i have a baby face (:
And do you by any chance know of a list of Senators who are a 100% Yea on the DA?
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"After failing to win comprehensive immigration reform during a period when Democrats controlled both the White House and Congress, immigration proponents are now hoping to use the lame-duck session to snag an 11th-hour consolation prize: the DREAM Act.

On Tuesday, President Obama pledged to personally lobby resistant members of Congress to support the bill. But even though the DREAM Act has drawn Republican support in the past, it's unclear whether the White House can win over enough Senate Republicans to make up for the handful of Democrats who are expected to vote against the bill.

The DREAM Act has been discussed for almost a decade. The current version would provide "conditional" green cards to as many as 2.1 million people who were brought to the United States illegally by their parents when they were under the age of 16. It would allow them to work, attend college and serve in the military. It also would put them on a path to citizenship.

The House is likely to pass the DREAM Act if Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., brings it to the floor for a vote. "No decision has been made," Pelosi spokesman Carlos Sanchez said Wednesday. But other sources close to the leadership said the only decision left to be made is what day the vote will occur.

The situation in the Senate, however, remains an uphill battle because 60 votes will be needed to block an expected Republican filibuster. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who owes his narrow re-election victory earlier this month in part to Hispanic voters, has pledged to bring up the bill. Proponents don't have the votes now, but they may secure enough to produce a cliffhanger.

"I do think there's majority support in the Senate for the DREAM Act," said Lynn Tramonte, deputy director of America's Voice, which is pushing the legislation. "I think we could get over 60 votes if Republicans were part of the equation."

Rosemary Jenks of NumbersUSA, a restrictionist group that opposes the bill, said, "As far as we can tell they don't have the votes in the Senate to pass it right now. The thing that bothers me is that it would be very difficult to beat in the House, and if Pelosi were to bring it up first and pass it, I don't know what kind of effect that momentum would have in the Senate."

To get 60 votes in the Senate, proponents would need to win more than half of the 20 or so Democratic and Republican lawmakers whose votes are uncertain at this time. (Check below for a list of those whose votes are considered uncertain at this point.) Proponents believe they have 53 Democratic votes and therefore will need at least seven Republicans. Several Senate Republicans who have voted for the DREAM Act in the past are expected to oppose it this time around, including Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Orrin Hatch of Utah. Hatch had been the initial sponsor of the bill back in 2001.

The Senate has voted on the DREAM Act before. In 2007, the measure got 52 votes, falling eight short of the number needed to pass.

The president met Tuesday with congressional Hispanic leaders, who said afterward that Obama had pledged to lobby Democratic lawmakers who are wavering and Republicans who have supported the legislation in the past.

"Passage of the DREAM Act is achievable right now," Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., said after the White House meeting. "It is the only piece of immigration reform legislation that can get broad support from Democrats and has attracted significant Republican support in the recent past."

Proponents haven't pushed for separate consideration of the DREAM Act in recent years because they feared they would lose their most compelling and attractive argument for comprehensive immigration reform, which would benefit the rest of the estimated 11 million people who are in the country illegally and who are likely to be viewed less sympathetically. The people the DREAM Act would benefit are seen as the poster boys and girls for reform. Many were brought to the United States as infants, have little or no familiarity with the countries where they were born, have grown up and come of age in the United States and are ready for college, work or military service but can't pursue any of those paths because they aren't legal residents.

The act would entitle them to six years of "conditional" legal resident status, in essence a temporary green card that could be converted to a permanent green card after six years if they satisfy certain requirements, including attending college for two years or joining the military.

In recent months young activists have pushed aside the political and strategic concerns of their pro-immigration leaders to press for the DREAM Act with or without comprehensive reform. Some held news conferences [1] to disclose their undocumented status, daring immigration authorities to arrest and deport them, which didn't happen.

Republican gains in the recent congressional elections have made it clear to pro-immigration leaders that any chance of comprehensive reform is gone for now. So they, too, are belatedly joining the full-court press for passage of the DREAM Act by itself, calling it, as Obama did on Tuesday, a "down payment" on comprehensive immigration reform.

Proponents of the legislation say it is a matter of simple fairness to allow people brought to the country illegally by their parents when they were children to assimilate into society's mainstream. They also say it will be better for the country for these young people to be productive participants in the economy rather than stuck on the margins.

Opponents call it a backdoor amnesty, saying once the children get full permanent resident status they will be able to apply for green cards for their parents. Also, opponents say the DREAM Act's beneficiaries would be eligible for in-state tuition at colleges and universities in the states where they live, while non-resident U.S. citizen students would be paying much higher out-of-state tuition. And they question how these schools would pay for the expected higher student enrollment.

They also question the feasibility and cost of undertaking the legalization program. The exact number of people who might be eligible for conditional green cards under the DREAM Act is unknown, but estimates range from 1 million to 2.1 million.

The lame-duck session is likely to be the last chance for passing the DREAM Act anytime soon, as Republicans will take control of the House in January. Until the next round of elections in 2012, immigration proponents are likely to be playing legislative defense rather than offense on Capitol Hill.

Next year, the agenda is expected to shift from what it has been under Democrats -- exclusively passing comprehensive immigration reform -- to a drumbeat of critical hearings contending that the Obama administration is being too soft in enforcing immigration laws. The focus will likely be on tightening rather than relaxing immigration policies, including stricter border and workplace enforcement.

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Senators whose positions on the DREAM Act are considered uncertain at this time include the following:

Democrats

* Max Baucus (Montana)
* Kay Hagan (North Carolina)
* Mary Landrieu (Louisiana)
* Joe Manchin (West Virginia)
* Claire McCaskill (Missouri)
* Ben Nelson (Nebraska)
* Mark Pryor (Arkansas)
* Jon Tester (Montana)

Republicans

* Bob Bennett (Utah)
* Scott Brown (Massachusetts)
* Sam Brownback (Kansas)
* Susan Collins (Maine)
* Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)
* Judd Gregg (New Hampshire)
* Orrin Hatch (Utah)
* George LeMieux (Florida)
* Richard Lugar (Indiana)
* John McCain (Arizona)
* Lisa Murkowski (Alaska)
* Olympia Snowe (Maine)
* George Voinovich (Ohio)
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Well we have listed alot of senators who aren't 100% yes for the DA as yes... only because we assume... which is why i keep asking for a list only with senators that are 100% yes
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IF the bill is not filabustered by the Republicans then Reid will definately have to make some concessions on the Bill. The requirements in the current version are far too liberal and should be made more stringent to make sure the sponsors of this Bill deliver on their promise that the benficiaries of this Bill can contribute to this country as educated and skilled members of the workforce or military service men/women. Finishing a 4 year degree or serving a 6 year military term should be a must... anything else smells like a handout. The "student visa" idea is actually not bad. In fact, that's pretty much the only choice given to most LEGAL kids who were brought to the US with their parents at a young age and then aged out before their parents could pull them in for a GC. The fact that children of LEGAL immigrants are excluded from this bill is a joke and gives credence to the argument that this Bill is just a favor to the latino community since most DA beneficiaries would be latinos. If in 4 years you can't finish a real degree and secure a job, then the government should happily buy you a plane ticket to your respective hell hole of a country (except for NicK since he is Canadian and that country is awesome... I love the bars in Toronto when I go there for work...)

The age limit should DEFINATELY be lowered. 35 is way too high! If you are 35 the chances of you finishing college or enlisiting in the military are slim. While I am sure some DA beneficiaries in their 30s can prove me wrong, their numbers would be statistically insignificant compared to the majority of that age group that would just string a 2 years of Community college over 6 years, gain status and become a burden on the system yet again. 25 is a reasonable age where someone can expect to finish a degree or serve the aforementioned 6 year military term.

Lastly, another fair amendment would include penalties and garnishments that would cover the cost of the FREE education the beneficiary received k-12 without ever having to pay into ths system. I think that number is anywhere between 50-30K.

I know all of these requirements might not seem fair to some, but living illegally and then begging for equal rights is also unfair. It's not necessarily your fault. MOst of the blame lies with the government, which should have just cracked down on boarder security, visa overstayers, and employers of illegal labor. If the government had just enforced the existing laws then the country wouldn't have to deal with the problem of illegal immigration and legitimate immigration reform would be possible.
That is incorrect, both of my parents are US Citizens and if the Dream Act passes, I'll be a beneficiary, so yes you can be undocumented and be a child of legal residents.
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I'm in the same boat as the above guy. My mom's a US citizen and from what I've read of the bill, it looks like I qualify.
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That would be a slap in the face to the dreamers who have been fighting for this since 2001. Someone who was 20 in 2001 is now 29
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