Dick Durbin, Lindsey Graham Unveil Bill - Page 9

Pianoswithoutfaith · 12-09-2016, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ianus

Democrats will likely filibuster any effort that is not comprehensive which includes a path to citizenship. In addition, Republicans only need a spending bill to increase enforcement at this point, and are not open to what they see as "amnesty"...even deferred action.

I think what looks likely for immigration over the next couple years

1. Is that DACA will likely end by a new conservative DHS secretary. Deferred Action in prior administrations always came with a notice to appear(removal proceedings). Technically, this is where the dangers lie. The concern lies with interpretation of law by an Attorney General Sessions and how it is carried out by the new DHS Secretary.

2. Prosecutions and interpretations by immigration judges and the BIA are likely to become more punitive. Meaning more cases for immigration judges.

3. Work-site enforcement and home visits will increase.

Aren't you here legally ? I can see why legal aliens would be telling the rest of us to freak out

Pianoswithoutfaith · 12-09-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ianus

Lol, this bill cannot pass.

Why not because you got yours already and are feeling more cocky looking down at us?

JohannBernoulli1667 · 12-09-2016, 03:25 PM

We are not throwing it away, it is simply not a bill that can gather majority support. Where are the enforcement measures? This is kicking the can around and it will not work.

This will further divide politicians on the issue instead of bringing them together to sensible reforms.

DogJuiceMan · 12-09-2016, 03:27 PM

Sensible reforms like amnesty? what enforcement is needed, this has background checks, and fines, its DACA, but in law form. It will certainly pass.

isk84life · 12-09-2016, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667

We are not throwing it away, it is simply not a bill that can gather majority support. Where are the enforcement measures? This is kicking the can around and it will not work.

This will further divide politicians on the issue instead of bringing them together to sensible reforms.

Dude, again... This is just the first step. There will be negotiations, amendments etc. We still haven't seen then house version of it too. Trump is going to have demands as well. Relax and stop over reacting.

isk84life · 12-09-2016, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by isk84life

Dude, again... This is just the first step. There will be negotiations, amendments etc. We still haven't seen then house version of it too. Trump is going to have demands as well. Relax and stop over reacting.

How are some of you expecting to ever get USC if you don't even know how the government works? You are all going to fail the test if given a chance.

JohannBernoulli1667 · 12-09-2016, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by isk84life

Dude, again... This is just the first step. There will be negotiations, amendments etc. We still haven't seen then house version of it too. Trump is going to have demands as well. Relax and stop over reacting.

I agree, let's wait... But we have been used so many yimes, it is frustrating to see this kind of "first" start beggining to unfold in similar ways as before.

Ianus · 12-09-2016, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jaylove16

I think you are taking a very negative view on what's going to happen in the next few years. How do you factor in Ryan's comments from yesterday? Or even Trumps comment in that times interview? Democrats realize now that they are in no position to filibuster anything that would help us. It's not like before when we dreamers were in the shadows and they could afford to play those games. Now we are out there in the light, the government has our addresses and information. Things are more serious now!

This has nothing to do with Ryan. It has specifically to deal with the incoming administration and its interpretation of current law, not based on anything the Congress is doing. THAT is what made "DA"CA possible with the current Obama administration.

I stand by what by my comments.

On Congress, how can you say Democrats are in no position to filibuster? Immigration is considered 'controversial legislation' and will need a filibuster-proof majority for opening debate and passage. In addition, why would they give Trump a legislative victory?

JohannBernoulli1667 · 12-09-2016, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DogJuiceMan

Sensible reforms like amnesty? what enforcement is needed, this has background checks, and fines, its DACA, but in law form. It will certainly pass.

Amnesty is more like a pipe dream and not sensible.

Enforcement, more boots on the ground, technology, Trumps wall. Republicans will not pass ANYTHING that does not address the issue.

This is the main starting point. They cannot politically pass a bill that is advertised to "protect" us from Evil Trump. They won the election, we are at their mercy. So either accept reality and have the leadership take the lead and something can get done.

If you begin by attacking them, we are being set to be crushed. Us, because nobody else but a few minority of Congressmen, maybe 3-4 legitimately cares about the issue.

jaylove16 · 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ianus

This has nothing to do with Ryan. It has specifically to deal with the incoming administration and its interpretation of current law, not based on anything the Congress is doing. THAT is what made "DA"CA possible with the current Obama administration.

I stand by what by my comments.

On Congress, how can you say Democrats are in no position to filibuster? Immigration is considered 'controversial legislation' and will need a filibuster-proof majority for opening debate and passage. In addition, why would they give Trump a legislative victory?

Why would they give Trump a legislative victory? Because there are a million identifiable lives that stand to lose everything if they don't compromise on something? It's not like before when all of us where in the shadows and they could afford to continue with the status quo.

The point I was trying to make with what speaker Ryan said yesterday is the fact that they are aware of what we stand to lose if DACA ends. Say what you will about the guy but he is a smart guy and he just doesn't talk out of his ass. If he says the Judiciary committee and the transition team are working on something for dreamers then I believe him.

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House Speaker Paul D. Ryan said he had a “very exciting meeting” with President-elect Donald Trump on Friday at Trump Tower in New York.
“We’re very excited about getting to work and hitting the ground running in 2017 [to] put this country back on track,” Mr. Ryan said in a brief statement to reporters.
Mr. Ryan figures to be a crucial ally of Mr. Trump once the president-elect is sworn in next year, along with a Republican-controlled U.S. House and Senate. The Wisconsin Republican had supported Mr. Trump’s candidacy but kept him at arm’s length during the 2016 campaign.
Mr. Ryan recently told “60 Minutes” the two men have patched things up and now speak about every day

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ng-trump-towe/

So guess what? Dreamers are not going to receive notice to appear as you suggested in your posts. That would only lead to mass deportation.

House Speaker Paul Ryan suggested Thursday the GOP would avoid a mass deportation of so-called Dreamers who arrived illegally in the United States as children and have been allowed to remain under an Obama administration executive action.
Ryan said the House Judiciary Committee is working with the Trump transition team on what to do about the Dreamers, "so that we don’t have any kind of ugly disruption that anyone is concerned about."[/

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