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5TH Court decision is in - Page 9

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10-07-2022, 05:39 PM
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Why would Hanen end it now when he had the opportunity to end it in the first place? It seems like he was sympathetic to those already in the program during his last ruling.

“Here, the egg has been scrambled,” the judge wrote, indisputably. “To try to put it back in its shell . . . does not make sense nor serve the best interests of this country.”
This is literally the only hope I have of him leaving it in place and allowing renewals. However, it also makes me think he wanted to start the process but didn’t want to fully dirty his hands knowing the backlash he’d receive and legacy left behind.

On the other hand, why schedule an expedited hearing one week from today?
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This is literally the only hope I have of him leaving it in place and allowing renewals. However, it also makes me think he wanted to start the process but didn’t want to fully dirty his hands knowing the backlash he’d receive and legacy left behind.

On the other hand, why schedule an expedited hearing one week from today?
This is from a recent article…

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In addition, as Judge Hanen remarked, the government will have an opportunity to put DACA on a firmer legal footing through a new regulation that is currently in the drafting stage.
The fact that he was sympathetic to our situation and not ending the program right away like he could have and actually gave the government an opportunity to fix it, should be good signs to stay optimistic in my opinion.
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10-07-2022, 05:59 PM
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This is from a recent article…


The fact that he was sympathetic to our situation and not ending the program right away like he could have and actually gave the government an opportunity to fix it, should be good signs to stay optimistic in my opinion.
Interesting! We’ll see come next Friday.
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He possibly will end it to force congress to find a permanent solution once and for all. Interesting indeed.
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He possibly will end it to force congress to find a permanent solution once and for all. Interesting indeed.
Let’s be honest, we’ve been saying this since January of 2017 and DACA is still here.

Trump & Hanen could have ended a long time ago. Hanen understands that we are contributing to this economy and making a positive impact.

He gave Biden an opportunity to fix it and now he’s just going to review it so DACA stays on legal footing.

Will DACA be here forever? Of course not, everything is temporary. But I believe for now there is room for optimism.
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Demise, so what’s the endgame?
"Nothing will fundamentally change." - Joe Biden
"Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program." - Milton Friedman
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Let’s be honest, we’ve been saying this since January of 2017 and DACA is still here.

Trump & Hanen could have ended a long time ago. Hanen understands that we are contributing to this economy and making a positive impact.

He gave Biden an opportunity to fix it and now he’s just going to review it so DACA stays on legal footing.

Will DACA be here forever? Of course not, everything is temporary. But I believe for now there is room for optimism.
I like your point of view here.

I don't see an immediate cancelation of EADs either.
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I like your point of view here.

I don't see an immediate cancelation of EADs either.
Lol, so you think that Hanen is going to just say oh well let's keep it as is and close the lawsuit? I hope you are right but we are looking at 3 possile scenarios:

1) He keeps it as is (I don't think he is just going to file it, it makes no sense for him to just close the lawsuit, the 5th circuit sent it back to him "for further consideration" the 5th circuit even said that daca was illegal and the lower court (Hanen) had to "expeditiously" consider it )

2) He kills daca completely(highly unlikely in my opinion, Hanen's balls aren't that big)

3) He modifies daca in a:

A) Positive way, he allows new applications, re-stores it to the original 2012 status (highly unlikely, why tf would he do something like this if he and the 5th circuit think the whole program is illegal, and didn't allowed new applications the first time he ruled on it, makes no fing sence)

B) Negative way, he takes more benefits away from the program, such as work permit or says no more renewals or whatever else occurs to him

In my opinion, the following is the list of scenarios that Hanen is going to do in order of probability:

3 B
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Lol, so you think that Hanen is going to just say oh well let's keep it as is and close the lawsuit? I hope you are right but we are looking at 3 possile scenarios:

1) He keeps it as is (I don't think he is just going to file it, it makes no sense for him to just close the lawsuit, the 5th circuit sent it back to him "for further consideration" the 5th circuit even said that daca was illegal and the lower court (Hanen) had to "expeditiously" consider it )

2) He kills daca completely(highly unlikely in my opinion, Hanen's balls aren't that big)

3) He modifies daca in a:

A) Positive way, he allows new applications, re-stores it to the original 2012 status (highly unlikely, why tf would he do something like this if he and the 5th circuit think the whole program is illegal, and didn't allowed new applications the first time he ruled on it, makes no fing sence)

B) Negative way, he takes more benefits away from the program, such as work permit or says no more renewals or whatever else occurs to him

In my opinion, the following is the list of scenarios that Hanen is going to do in order of probability:

3 B
1
2
3 A
While I wouldn’t expect a positive ruling from him, why not keep stay of ruling for the current recipients like last time? Maybe he will rule the new Daca is still unlawful but keep the stay of the order. I’m really curious what makes you think he will end renewal (or end EAD for the current recipients) this time.
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Lol, so you think that Hanen is going to just say oh well let's keep it as is and close the lawsuit? I hope you are right but we are looking at 3 possile scenarios:

1) He keeps it as is (I don't think he is just going to file it, it makes no sense for him to just close the lawsuit, the 5th circuit sent it back to him "for further consideration" the 5th circuit even said that daca was illegal and the lower court (Hanen) had to "expeditiously" consider it )

2) He kills daca completely(highly unlikely in my opinion, Hanen's balls aren't that big)

3) He modifies daca in a:

A) Positive way, he allows new applications, re-stores it to the original 2012 status (highly unlikely, why tf would he do something like this if he and the 5th circuit think the whole program is illegal, and didn't allowed new applications the first time he ruled on it, makes no fing sence)

B) Negative way, he takes more benefits away from the program, such as work permit or says no more renewals or whatever else occurs to him

In my opinion, the following is the list of scenarios that Hanen is going to do in order of probability:

3 B
1
2
3 A
This make absolutely no sense. If he wanted to kill it so badly he wouldn’t have wasted his time in the first place and just taken the necessary steps to end it right there and then.

Hanen’s whole issue with DACA was the administrative procedure act which never took place when DACA was first enacted, that’s why he killed DAPA, for the exact same reason.

He has acknowledged that killing DACA as a whole would not be beneficial to anyone and gave the Biden administration time so they can codify the program and this time have it got through the administrative procedure act in which the Biden administration did.

I don’t believe DACA will be a permanent thing, but let’s be realistic, Hanen could have ended this a long time ago. The only reason he got involved was to stop the program from growing with new applicants while also protecting the current enrollees.
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