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Republican Party Dying/Dead??

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06-14-2009, 06:24 PM
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So I was watching Meet the Press earlier and they had two Republicans on who said some very interesting things.

One said that the American demographic has changed so much that if the Republican Party continues their old/outdated viewpoints on issues, they will never regain power.

Also he pointed out the fact that the fastest voting population in the U.S., the Hispanic vote which has gone from 2% to 9% and is well on its way to 15%, basically opposes the Republican Party now, and the point I love that he made was all the anti-immigrant positions the Republican Party continues to take is basically digging their grave even further with the Hispanic vote.

He said that this is especially key in Texas, which has always been an important electoral state for Republicans in Presidential elections.

Overall he is saying the Republican Party has to change dramatically to adjust to modern day or it will die.

Do you guys agree?
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06-14-2009, 06:30 PM
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I agree profoundly. The longer they continue to ignore the changing country, the longer their power to appeal to a wide range of potential voters will continue to diminish....
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This is what The Origin Of Species is all about: adapt to the new changing environment, or die. Something tells me they are going to adapt sooner or later.
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06-16-2009, 06:18 PM
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I don't think its dead, there's a reason why they call it the Grand Old Party...However, I do think their 50 (ish) presidential reign is over. It started with Eisenhower and Bush just pushed it to the edge. They need to start rethinking their political stance and start becoming more flexible since the new generation...the millennium generation will require them to be more social-friendly. However, after a while they will come back stronger than ever before.
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06-16-2009, 10:10 PM
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Actually, to be honest, you guys are far from the truth. When you start messing with people's pocketbooks there is bound to be a backlash, i.e. raising taxes, health care reform, etc etc. Mark my words they'll be back in 2010 & 2012. Also, congress was able to get more money for the Iraq and Afghanistan war, and these are the same Democrats who promised to get the troops out, it is officially their war now.
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06-17-2009, 01:51 AM
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Too early to predict yet. There is still health care, energy and immigration left. If all of those are successful then, democracts will most likely keep their majority.


The thing is, Democracts have to pass all of their bills as early as possible ( no later than the end of this year) and then the change can be felt during the second year. So it is a race against time.


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Actually, to be honest, you guys are far from the truth. When you start messing with people's pocketbooks there is bound to be a backlash, i.e. raising taxes, health care reform, etc etc.
Depends on who you tax. Top 1 percent of USA in 2004 had 42.2 percent of the wealth, the next 19 percent 50.3 percent ( top 20 percent= 92.5 percent of wealth) and the other 80 percents only 7.5 percent of the wealth.

( Source: http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesam...er/wealth.html ).

So what does this mean?

It means that if tax burden are on the top 20 percentile in terms of wealth, then it means that those people would get taxed ( thus he would lose votes there) but at the same time by improving the life of those 80 percents, he ( and democratic party) would most likely gain votes there.

In Net votes, they would gain votes.


That is if they successfully pass the laws as fast as they can and have people feel the change.
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Actually, to be honest, you guys are far from the truth. When you start messing with people's pocketbooks there is bound to be a backlash, i.e. raising taxes, health care reform, etc etc. Mark my words they'll be back in 2010 & 2012. Also, congress was able to get more money for the Iraq and Afghanistan war, and these are the same Democrats who promised to get the troops out, it is officially their war now.
You need to stop watching Fox News.

Unless you’re a millionaire, no one’s messing with your checkbook. In fact, Barack Obama has given 95% of Americans the biggest tax cut in history - almost $300,000,000,000.

Just because a few rednecks go out on the streets and protest “taxes” doesn’t mean that their taxes are actually going up. In fact, the tax code they were protesting was actually Bush’s, since Obama’s hadn’t kicked in yet, but I guess it’s not as fun to protest a white guy.

Even the richest people in the country (whose taxes are actually going up) aren’t protesting because their taxes will only go up about 3% - essentially rolled back to what they used to be under Bill Clinton.

All in all, taxes are still the lowest they’ve been in years. In fact, president Obama’s taxes are 10% lower than Reagan’s who’s, like, the wingnuts’ Jesus.
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06-17-2009, 11:26 PM
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I think the Republican Party won't be "dead", but it is certainly weakening.
Whatever your or my opinion about the Republican party is, still many Americans are ideologically conservative.

However, people have a very short memory.
If the economy does not rebound fast enough and the government fails to control the budget deficit and makes terrible mistakes, people will blame the president and the Democratic Party.

I believe the Republican Party would handle the economy and the budget more terribly (The only thing they know is tax cuts!), but again, people have a very short memory.
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06-18-2009, 02:11 PM
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However, people have a very short memory.
If the economy does not rebound fast enough and the government fails to control the budget deficit and makes terrible mistakes, people will blame the president and the Democratic Party.
Very true...good point...

But I feel we will and do tend to give Obama more time and leniency on issues due to his popularity and the such high hopes and confidence the American people have in him. Trust me I know the President has his fair share of critics, but overall I think the American people tend to believe in Obama (at least for now). So if he says he needs more time for an issue or he will do something in he future, most Americans believe him.

I believe I saw a poll on CNN about just that too.
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