Passing CIR the numbers game.
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Originally Posted by warhound
This website on its homepage gives the number of Senators willing to pass the Dream act along with those opposed and undecided.
Does anyone have solid numbers as to the # of Senators pro CIR and can they kindly post here ?! Please note that some senators opposed to Dream Act said that they will consider it only if its a part of a CIR bill, hence if I may be correct to say that the information on the homepage could be slightly off. Thanks again |
I predict if CIR fails end of this year. Which i highly doubt it wont pass. Durbin will still bring the dream act up, and under obama people like Pryor, Dorgan, McCaskill, Lincoln, Nelson, Bennet, Hagen, Byrd and Baucus wouldn't say "Ney" So far they have all been working so close with Obama and i don't think they will vote against him especially on the Dream Act since he made all of us a promise that he was gonna work hard to pass it. Plus don't forget the republican support Snowe, McCain, Lugar, Hatch, Collins and Martinez. So if it continues the way you see it, there will be nothing but light at the end of the tunnel. I feel we have the majority its always not 60 votes we need but the majority of votes in the senate 2/3 to pass this bill which i feel we have.
Whats working against us is not republicans but TIME. So basically all i could say to you is be prepared to CELEBRATE late this year or early next.
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So, I decided to spend some time on this and come up with a list of senators Pro CIR, Anti CIR and those wavering in the middle that would want some sort of enforcement in place before they consider CIR passage. I have given those senators the benefit of doubt and included them with the senators that would be likely to pass CIR with all sorts of Draconian measures in place which would leave them no excuse to deny a CIR bill. As an example, this list assumes including Senator ‘Sessions’ as a probable for passing CIR since his website states that any meaning passage of CIR would have to deal with enforcement first.
Unfortunately, even in the best case scenario there is a long list of senators that would be against a CIR in any shape or form. Below is an unfortunately long list of senators. We need 60 senate votes to pass CIR. If any news article or inside news comes about these senators switching stance due to lobbyists or pressure from within party please link news so I can update this list. Thanks Senators Against CIR: (36 total) Saxby Chambliss (R) – Georgia Mike Crapo (R) – Idaho James Risch (R) – Idaho Evans Bayh (D) – Indiana Pat Roberts (R) – Kansas Jim Bunning (R) – Kentucky David Vitter (R) – Louisiana Susan Collins (R) – Maine Olympia Snowe (R) – Maine Thad Cochran (R) – Mississippi Roger Wicker (R) – Mississippi Christopher Bond (R) – Missouri Claire McCaskill (D) – Missouri Max Baucus (D) – Montana Jon Tester (D) – Montana Mike Johans (R) – Nebraska Ben Nelson (D) – Nebraska John Ensign (R) Nevada Jeff Bingaman (D) – New Mexico Byron Dorgan (D) – North Dakota George Voinovich (R) – Ohio Tom Coburn (R) – Oklahoma James Inhofe (R) – Oklahoma Jeff Merkley (R) – Oregon Jim Demint (R) – South Carolina Tim Johnson (D) – South Dakota John Thune (R) – South Dakota Lamar Alexander (R) – Tennessee Bob Corker (R) – Tennessee John Conryn (R) – Texas Kay Hutchinson (R) – Texas Bernard Sanders (I) – Vermont Robert Byrd (D) – West Virginia John Rockefeller (D) – West Virginia John Barrasso (R) – Wyoming Mike Enzi (R) – Wyoming Please as stated above, list if you have any updates on any of these senators switch their position on CIR. We do not have anywhere near the 60 votes required at this time. |
Fyi, Jeff bingaham and Claire Mckaskill are both co-sponsors s.9 ( CIR placeholder). I would also put John Cornyn, George Voinovich, Ben Nelson, Kay hutchinson, Max baucus (since he voted for the 2006 bill) as probable yea votes on a cloture vote.
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LMAO, you have sessions as a probable yes vote, yet you have susan collins, jeff bingaham, olympia snow, John rockefeller, Bernard sanders. Claire Mckaskill, evan bayh, jeff merkley, Tim Johnson as against CIR? You must be kidding me.
Fyi, Jeff bingaham and Claire Mckaskill are both co-sponsors s.9 ( CIR placeholder). I would also put John Cornyn, George Voinovich, Ben Nelson, Kay hutchinson, Max baucus (since he voted for the 2006 bill) as probable yea votes on a cloture vote. |
Susan Collins:
Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008 )
Voted NO on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Voted NO on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998 )
Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998 )
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)
English immersion over bilingual education. (Jul 2001)
Cover child resident aliens under Medicaid and SCHIP. (May 2005)
Rated 25% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)
Increase limitations for H-1B, H-2B, and L-visas. (Apr 2008 )
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/su...tm#Immigration
Jeff Bingaman
Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008 )
Voted NO on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
Voted NO on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998 )
Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998 )
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)
Cover child resident aliens under Medicaid and SCHIP. (May 2005)
Pay fair prevailing wage to guest workers. (May 2006)
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Je...tm#Immigration
John Rockefellar
Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008 )
Voted NO on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998 )
Voted NO on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998 )
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)
Rated 0% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Jo...tm#Immigration
Bernard Sanders
Voted No to CIR 2007
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c...e/1/votes/204/
Claire Mccaskill
"Claire supports legal immigration. However, she opposes measures that reward illegal immigrants for their unlawful behavior. That includes granting illegal immigrants amnesty or allowing illegal immigrants to receive federal assistance. Claire also opposes giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants."
http://mccaskill.senate.gov/issues/immigration.cfm
Evan Bayh
Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008 )
Voted NO on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Rated 16% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Ev...tm#Immigration
Can you atleast explain why these senators are expected to vote any differnet than last time when the bil was around in 2007 ?
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Mate, Perhaps your source of information is more vast and informative than mine while I rely on google and at the best Senators home page. As regards to the following: I admit i made judgemental errors on Olympia snow and Tim johnson and hence will remove them from the list., If you would like to take over the list from me and compute your own Id very much appreciate it and would promptly delete my post.
Susan Collins: Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008 ) Voted NO on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007) Voted YES on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007) Voted NO on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007) Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006) Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006) Voted NO on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006) Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006) Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998 ) Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998 ) Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997) English immersion over bilingual education. (Jul 2001) Cover child resident aliens under Medicaid and SCHIP. (May 2005) Rated 25% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006) Increase limitations for H-1B, H-2B, and L-visas. (Apr 2008 ) http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/su...tm#Immigration Jeff Bingaman Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008 ) Voted NO on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007) Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007) Voted NO on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007) Voted NO on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006) Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006) Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006) Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006) Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998 ) Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998 ) Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997) Cover child resident aliens under Medicaid and SCHIP. (May 2005) Pay fair prevailing wage to guest workers. (May 2006) Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006 http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Je...tm#Immigration John Rockefellar Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008 ) Voted NO on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007) Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007) Voted YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007) Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006) Voted NO on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998 ) Voted NO on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998 ) Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997) Rated 0% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006) http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Jo...tm#Immigration Bernard Sanders Voted No to CIR 2007 http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c...e/1/votes/204/ Claire Mccaskill "Claire supports legal immigration. However, she opposes measures that reward illegal immigrants for their unlawful behavior. That includes granting illegal immigrants amnesty or allowing illegal immigrants to receive federal assistance. Claire also opposes giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants." http://mccaskill.senate.gov/issues/immigration.cfm Evan Bayh Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008 ) Voted NO on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007) Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007) Voted YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007) Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006) Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006) Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006) Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006) Rated 16% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006) http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Ev...tm#Immigration Can you atleast explain why these senators are expected to vote any differnet than last time when the bil was around in 2007 ? |
S.9
Title: A bill to strengthen the United States economy, provide for more effective border and employment enforcement, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Reid, Harry [NV] (introduced 1/6/2009) Cosponsors (13)
Latest Major Action: 1/7/2009 Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 9.
Sen Begich, Mark [AK] - 1/6/2009
Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM] - 1/6/2009
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA] - 1/6/2009
Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH] - 1/7/2009
Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] - 1/6/2009
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] - 1/6/2009
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 1/6/2009
Sen Klobuchar, Amy [MN] - 1/6/2009
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] - 1/6/2009
Sen Levin, Carl [MI] - 1/6/2009
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] - 1/6/2009
Sen McCaskill, Claire [MO] - 1/6/2009
Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] - 1/6/2009
Btw, jeff merkley is a democrat not a republican and no offense, but you probably don't know much about immigration politics if you think Jeff Sessions(regardless of what he claims on his site) is EVER going to vote for a plan that legalizes the undocumented.
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