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DAP Forums > DREAM Act > The Lounge

Yes/No..will CIR pass?

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#1
02-21-2010, 09:56 AM
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Do you think CIR will pass?
If yes, When?
And when will they start voting/debating in Congress?????????
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02-21-2010, 11:01 AM
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I don't know when, but it will pass sooner or later. They have a problem on their hands and they know they need to solve it. ignoring the problem will not make it go away. 12 million plus is a lot. They can't deport everyone. They do not have the resources, nor the man power to do so.

The question is not if CIR will pass or when. The question is, will you be here when it does. People are getting tired and are leaving. I know more than a few that have left already, and it does not have to do with the economy as is being wildly reported in the media although that may be the case for many I suppose but it's more of not wanting to feel so limited for such a long time.

Some of my family members have already left, and the ones that haven't are either making plans to or are here legally thus no need to go elsewhere. My cousin was a little braver than I am and left almost a year ago and joined the FFL. Shortly his mother and father left, having already bought a house and cars, and opened a small business back home.

I plan to leave sometime next year, if nothing happens by then. I believe something will before then but I am fully prepared for plan B if something doesn't. I know I'm going to smack myself in the head though if shortly after I leave something does happen.
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02-21-2010, 05:44 PM
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Quote:
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I don't know when, but it will pass sooner or later. They have a problem on their hands and they know they need to solve it. ignoring the problem will not make it go away. 12 million plus is a lot. They can't deport everyone. They do not have the resources, nor the man power to do so.

The question is not if CIR will pass or when. The question is, will you be here when it does. People are getting tired and are leaving. I know more than a few that have left already, and it does not have to do with the economy as is being wildly reported in the media although that may be the case for many I suppose but it's more of not wanting to feel so limited for such a long time.
My thoughts as well. An immigration reform will pass...someday. Many of us are feeling confident it will be soon so lets not lose hope yet.
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02-21-2010, 07:22 PM
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I'd like to say that it's likely. Advocates are already voicing out their aggression, so hopefully the white house will take care of it soon. As for when.....no one is certain. We'll just hope it doesn't go for as long as it's been taking for the past few years.
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02-21-2010, 10:15 PM
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Well, I think this piece tells it well: The crucial time is now otherwise not even "when" will be soon. And to put it in perspective, DAP has been online since 2000.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...s.html?showall

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My piece today:

The news releases remain hopeful: Comprehensive immigration reform this spring! Employee Free Choice Act around the corner! And a new poll from President Barack Obama's pollster shows that Republican Sen. Scott Brown will enthusiastically support climate change legislation — if he knows what's good for him!

With Obama's top agenda item, health care legislation, near ruins and congressional Democrats on the defensive heading into this year's midterm elections, much of the sweeping liberal agenda some of Obama's supporters hoped for and his enemies feared has been deferred. The centrist Democrats and moderate Republicans necessary to end debate in the Senate show little appetite for hard votes. The White House and congressional leadership are pushing hard for populist financial sector regulations, something they can call a "jobs bill" and little else.

And yet in a surreal twilight, issues live on, fed by a kind of mutual dependency between the liberal interest groups that exist to advance them and the conservatives for whom opposing them is a potent rallying force. There is, say liberal leaders who suffered through the drought of the Bush years, no point in giving up.

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A similar dynamic feeds what most observers view as an equally delusional debate over the sweeping package known as comprehensive immigration reform, which would provide a path to citizenship for most illegal aliens in the United States. Senate legislation has yet to be introduced, and Obama was recently lashed in the Spanish-language media for including just a passing mention of the subject toward the end of his State of the Union address.

"The prospects are good," said Clarissa Martinez, the direction of immigration and national campaigns for the National Council of La Raza. "It is important for Democrats to keep the promises that energized Latinos In '08."

And anti-immigration groups, similarly, say they're on guard.

"It's the next two months or it's never — and because of that, it's possible that congressional leaders could be stampeded into" passing the legislation, said Roy Beck, the executive director of the anti-immigration group Numbers USA, who acknowledged fundraising mailings from groups on all sides of the issue "show you a lot closer to the brink than you genuinely are."

Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) has indeed introduced sweeping legislation, and Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) have signaled that they're also working on a package. But most observers of congressional politics say passage this year is unlikely.


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02-21-2010, 10:24 PM
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There is a great blog supported by undocumented irish immigrants for Immigration Reform called http://www.irishlobbyusa.org/ that posts articles regarding immigration reform from all sides of the political spectrum.
They have an announcement for an immigration reform update/meeting scheduled for next Saturday with two congressmen from Massachussets. The congressmen, William DelaHunt and Bruce Morrison will talk to them about the estate of CIR and take questions from the audience (remember these are illegal Irish immigrants - would you see Pelosi or Reid having a town-hall meeting with illegal 'Hispanic" immigrants?). I think is worth reding it next weekend and see what they have to say.
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02-21-2010, 10:34 PM
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I'm not sure, but you heard what the "highly ranked ICE official" said a plan will be established and put to action towards the end of 2011. http://dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=13875
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02-21-2010, 10:57 PM
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I cannot publicly say what I think of the "highly ranked ICE official"; it is not suitable for public viewing. With that said, I don't care that that's what the government has planned. I read an article in January 2009 in which Rham Emmanuel said the same thing about not passing reform until the END of 2011. If that's the case you realize that by the time most of us receive status, it'll be 2012/2013? 2010 has just started, so that means MAYBE, if it passes, put your life on hold for another 3 years if we are lucky? There's no justification to not fight to get it passed now. The promise from the Dems was that 'realistically' they would address this issue early 2010. Well February is gone in a week. After March, it's no longer 'early' 2010. I'm sick of politicians running on promises of FUTURE action, not on action taken. I hope Hispanics start registering as independents and not let their votes be taken for granted. Why don't they just let people contribute and become fully responsible TAXPAYERS????!!!!!
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