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Senator Lindsey Graham, R-SC running lead on comprehensive immigration reform along with his liberal friend Senator Chuck Schumer, D-NY, is calling for among other things a national ID card to stem the flow of illegal immigration with comprehensive immigration reform the final goal. They are not alone. On the O’Reilly Factor Tuesday evening, host Bill O’Reilly said he favored a National ID Card citing among other things the additional taxes that would be collected through reduced fraud and called it a “moneymaker for the US”. He said he wanted it “fast -tracked and done this year. On Illegal Immigration though he did not believe the Obama Administration had the political cajones (my words not his) to actually put forth a bill in the current environment, especially with Healthcare on the bubble.

Guest Lou Dobbs, formerly of CNN disagreed and said he was putting the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill on his calendar for six weeks out. A scary thought. Dobbs, a media firebrand credited with bringing Illegal Immigration to the forefront of the political debate “reluctantly agreed” with O’Reilly on the National ID Card. “For the same reasons I supported REAL ID, I support this.” He said. Privacy concerns are no doubt taking a back seat here.

O’Reilly has been Mr. Compromise throughout the debate on illegal immigration. In 2007 he said at one point that the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, otherwise known as The Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act (talk about spin), was the best we were going to get. While I sincerely respect O’Reilly I would be reluctant to have him represent my interests in a negotiation. Amnesty for 12-20 million illegal immigrants wasn’t even close t o the best we could hope to obtain.

The real surprise was Dobbs. Considered by most to be an illegal immigration hardliner he used the “C” word (compromise) more than once saying it is time to get something done and in other words the fringe players on the right and left need to come to the table and play nice.
Found this article over at Examiner.com. Its got some information as well as opinion and a brief analysis. Still an interesting read. What is in quotations is simply an excerpt.

It seems there is much more support for an immigration reform. So far, I like what Senator Schumer has been crafting along with Senator Graham. Having a biometric ID card is a great way to prevent further illegal immigration and hopefully it can be used to gain support from Republicans and moderate Democrats.

Hopefully this all plays out well.

http://www.examiner.com/x-17495-San-...gration-Reform
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I never thought I'd see the day when Dobbs agreed for the need of CIR!
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I never thought I'd see the day when Dobbs agreed for the need of CIR!
While I sincerely hope he means it, something doesn't sit well with me. I wonder if he's thinking about running for office and now he's trying to appeal to the masses.
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I am pretty sure the ACLU and other privacy groups will take this(national I.D) issue to court if it passes as part of CIR.
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The only thing that the national ID will do is centralize the government. You ask a random person that's against it, why they are against it and they will just say things like its an invasion of privacy etc. without being able to really tell why.
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Lou Dobbs has always been for reform. He might even support DREAM if you stay away from instate tuition. One had to pay close attention to what he was saying to see that he would support something that helps immigrants. But boy, our advocates will never be with him. To do so means that there might be a fence and more enforcement provisions. That is why we failed in 2007 and will likely do so this year.

As for the id. Big deal. Canada and France has them and they are doing fine. Is just a social security with a photo.
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The only thing that the national ID will do is centralize the government. You ask a random person that's against it, why they are against it and they will just say things like its an invasion of privacy etc. without being able to really tell why.
So each state by issuing their own respective ID cards invading privacy? So every country that issues passports for their citizens invading privacy?
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So each state by issuing their own respective ID cards invading privacy? So every country that issues passports for their citizens invading privacy?
No, it wouldn't. Frankly, state IDs are completely different matter under US laws.

The reason why certain people are against is because it would centralize the government and the principle of American politics is for the states to remain states, and for state residents to remain state residents under certain laws. The reason why the other people are against is because they just don't want to go through the hassle of getting another document and since laziness is a pretty pathetic reason, they come up with something as idiotic as the ID being an invasion of privacy.



Why would the issuing of passports be an invasion of your privacy by your country? The only reason your country issues them is because of another country's requirement, and there is no requirement on getting a passport. Hey, if you don't want to go somewhere you don't have to. An ID in your native country is a totally different thing: it's a necessity as we all have come to realize it in the US.
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