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Joining the Army- Have no other options

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07-13-2010, 07:56 PM
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My family just blew up on me- well, on each other to be precise.

I have no other options but to prove them wrong and join the Army. I called a recruiter to make an appointment in two days, and the recruiter asked me if I was a resident. I said that it was all in progress with a lawyer, and that I've been here since I was a little kid.

He basically told me to come in.

Anyone have experience doing this?

If I have to give fake papers I will. I have to do something with my life.
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The recruiter will not be able to induct you in the Army based on a pending application,at the time of recruitment you must have an already approved status of Permanent residency or US citizenship.

The following story might help in this scenario.Strange thing is since they honorably discharged her technically she is still eligible for US naturalization.......but it all depends on US officials.However,in your case since USCIS and the Military are watching this closely it still wouldn't be a good idea.
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Five days before Ekaterine Bautista planned to become a U.S. citizen, she got a call from the federal government: Her swearing-in ceremony had been canceled pending further investigation.

Bautista was devastated. An illegal immigrant from Mexico, she had served six years in the U.S. military — including a 13-month tour in Iraq — and was eligible to apply for naturalization under a decades-old law.

But approval of her case depended on the discretion of citizenship officials. Bautista had served in the military under a false identity, that of her U.S. citizen aunt, Rosalia Guerra-Morelos.

Bautista had passed the civics exam, completed all the paperwork and received a letter telling her to show up at the Los Angeles Convention Center on March 31. Then the call came.

"Yeah, I made a mistake," Bautista, 35, said. "But if you look back at my records, I never did anything wrong in the military. On the contrary."

Sitting in her father's home in East Los Angeles, Bautista looks through a thick binder of commendations and certificates, including the Combat Action Badge. She said she was promoted to sergeant within three years. She pulls out photos: one showing her hugging her friends in her unit in Germany, another showing her in uniform at the base she guarded in Iraq.

Bautista decided to enlist just days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"It was a calling," said Bautista, who was a teenager when her mother brought her to the United States. "I felt the need to join because it was the right thing to do, and also because of my daughter. I had to protect my daughter."

She called an Army recruiting office, but they told her that a Mexican passport wasn't enough and that she had to be a U.S. citizen or a green-card holder to enlist. So she asked her family for permission to use the identity of her aunt, a U.S. citizen who lived in Mexico. With their blessing, Bautista walked into a recruiting office and identified herself as Rosalia Guerra-Morelos.

As part of the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, noncitizens who serve in the military one year during peacetime or one day during wartime are eligible to apply for fast-tracked citizenship.

Between September 2001 and March 2010, more than 58,000 men and women in the armed forces were naturalized, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. The agency doesn't track how many originally were illegal immigrants.

There have been similar cases to Bautista's, including that of Mexican illegal immigrant Liliana Plata, who bought a stolen Social Security card in Los Angeles so she could join the military and later became a decorated airman serving in Iraq as Cristina Alaniz. She was honorably discharged from the Air Force in 2003 after the real Alaniz discovered her identity had been stolen.

Many immigrants have been raised in the United States and are drawn to the armed forces for the same reasons as native-born Americans: a steady job, the military lifestyle and patriotism, said Margaret Stock, an Alaska-based immigration attorney who specializes in military cases.

"Many are very patriotic, even though it's not officially their country," she said.

Eugene Fidell, who teaches military justice at Yale Law School, said that enlisting under a false identity is a crime and is taken seriously by the government: "It really is fraud."

But in some cases, he said, if the person served honorably, the government should exercise discretion and grant citizenship.

When she enlisted, Bautista said, she didn't know that immigrants who served in the military could become citizens.

After basic training, Bautista was stationed in Germany as a food-service specialist. In 2004, she deployed to Iraq and guarded the base in Baqouba.

On June 8, 2004, a car driven by a suicide bomber approached the gate and immediately exploded.

Bautista was knocked off her feet. Three people landed on top of her.

After a few seconds, Bautista said, she stood up and saw blood and body parts everywhere. She ran to get medical supplies and helped bandage fellow soldiers and Iraqi citizens who worked on the base. Bautista's commanding officer and two Iraqi civilians were killed. More than a dozen soldiers and Iraqi citizens were wounded. "It was chaos," she said, tears falling down her face.

Back in Germany, she settled into the routine of military life. She fell in love, but even he didn't know her true identity. She didn't tell fellow soldiers she had a daughter.

In 2008, Bautista was called into an office by her superiors. They told her they knew who she really was. She asked to talk to an attorney.

Several fellow soldiers and superiors wrote letters on her behalf.

In the end, Bautista was honorably discharged and arrived in Los Angeles in July 2009. Having to leave the military, she said, still hurts. Even now, she wishes she could return to Iraq.

Bautista's attorney, Noemi Ramirez, said she admires her client's dedication to America and said she deserves citizenship.

U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services spokeswoman Mariana Gitomer said she couldn't comment on the case but said it's not unusual for the agency to need further clarification.

"It doesn't mean that they are not going to be naturalized," she said. "It just means we have to look into the case a bit more."

Until her case is resolved, Bautista can't legally drive, work or receive veterans' benefits. Even though she wishes she could have done so with her own name, Bautista said she doesn't regret joining the military.

"Now that I look at my daughter," she said, "it was worth it."
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This could blow up on you later.......they promise this and that and in reality go after you at any time.
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Thanx for the link Ianus. Im proud of her for serving this country but she did it the wrong way and now she has to face the consequences. Even if she gets her GC, it's not like she'll be able to return.

And Sabzon, don't be foolish. Wait for your GC and then enlist. you'll be a USC quickly that way
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give it a shot..recruiters kept calling my house way after I told them I was illegal. There were many vietnam vets who served and ultimately got deported, so it's possible.

oh yeah, to 2nd what others say, don't lie.
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i think you should wait at least until the Elections to see if anything happens with the DREAM Act. the thing i want the most is to join the MARINES but of course i cant, and sure gettin fake papers could be an option but there are consequences if you get caught, i mean things have been gettin intense with all the protests and marches to support the DREAM Act so just be a little bit more ppatient bro, we all understand your frustration trust me i really do. but hopefully something will happen soon, until then just keep yourself busy i know its hard at times, but just do your best and wait and see what happens,
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Are you making a wise decision based on thinking straight and logically, or are you letting your emotions push you towards a direction that you will later regret?

Don't make the mistake of going with the frustration and anger that your family are pouring on your head.
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Thanx for the link Ianus. Im proud of her for serving this country but she did it the wrong way and now she has to face the consequences. Even if she gets her GC, it's not like she'll be able to return.
Your welcome,but she isn't fighting for a green card.When someone is honorably discharged from the military they are actually eligible for US citizenship whether illegal immigrant or not.The problem that lies here is that she used fake documents which in affect isn't considered 'good moral character' thus she is facing the current issues.

Technically,if the recruiter knew she was an illegal immigrant and was still accepted in the military,served on the frontlines and then was honorably discharged she would have been able to successfully acquire US citizenship.
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Naturalization Applicants Who Have Served Honorably in Any Specified Period of Armed Conflict with Hostile Foreign Forces

This is the only section of the Immigration and Naturalization Act that allows persons who have not been lawfully admitted for permanent residence to file their own application for naturalization. Any person who has served honorably during a qualifying time may file an application at any time in his or her life if, at the time of enlistment, reenlistment, extension of enlistment or induction, such person shall have been in the United States, the Canal Zone, American Samoa, or Swains Island, or on board a public vessel owned or operated by the United States for noncommercial service, whether or not he has been lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence.


An applicant who has served honorably during any of the following periods of conflict is entitled to certain considerations
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World War I - 4/16/17 to 11/11/18;
World War II - 9/1/39 to 12/31/46;
Korean Conflict - 6/25/50 to 7/1/55;
Vietnam Conflict - 2/28/61 to 10/15/78;
Operation Desert Shield/ Desert Storm - 8/29/90 to 4/11/91
Operation Enduring Freedom – 9/11/01 to (open); or any other period which the President, by Executive Order, has designated as a period in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or were engaged in military operations involving armed conflict with hostile foreign forces.
Applicants who have served honorably during any of the aforementioned conflicts may apply for naturalization based on military service and no period of residence or specified period of physical presence within the United States or any State shall be required.
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Even if you could join the army, why would you choose to do so? I recommend doing some research on what the US army, or any army really is, which is basically nothing more then the tool of the ruling to do their dirty work for them. Do you really think that by being in the army you are working for your country? No, you are working for the interests of the few, mainly so they can acquire more power and money.
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I'm sick of hearing people say, "ooo I want to join the army because it's the only way to serve my country". Well, it isn't. We are all equally serving this country by paying taxes (that's how they are able to afford all the equipments), going to school (to attain jobs/skills that are needed in this country), and just doing stuff for our communities i.e volunteering. You must seriously be a fool to consider submiting fake documents to try and fool the government. And that's called a "fraud" btw.
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