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01-01-2011, 09:11 PM
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It is good to have government aid and help for things that save lives.

It is good to do research, but too much spending on research only increases the deficit. An upgrade on everything is good, but the GOP cannot overspend.

*They should reduce the spending on all research by 10-20%.

*They should reduce spending on all kinds of grants by 10%, and be more efficient on how they manage who gets in the grant line first.

*They should reduce the energy cost of government run buildings and facilities and all public schools by using renewable energy like sun energy.

*Reduce the food stamp aid, per say, if they give $500 per child they should give like $350, I know a lot of people who are on food stamps and most of them sell them for money to spend on beer and cigars .

*They should keep the help to the elder and veterans and people with disabilities and help to those in need of life saving help the way it is, for they have helped the economy already and they deserve a shot of life.

*And most importantly, stop fighting useless wars that cost the country something like 2 billion every 2 weeks.
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Good post, although I don't agree on some of your points.

Conducting research doesn't increase the country's deficit. I think what you are trying to convey over is a bit misleading. Research is needed to solve a lot of issues that the world currently faces. Reducing spending on research sets us back on attempting to do that.

Also, passage of the DREAM Act would reduce the deficit since we would have legalized people in this country who have well-paying jobs and pay their fair share of taxes. It can't reduce the deficit by much, but it is at least one way the deficit can be reduced.

You are correct with the usage of Renewable Energy. It's a difficult topic at the moment to confront, since every kind of alternative energy has it's cons, even though it's an infinite resource. Gas/Oil/Coal is a finite resource, and we need to be prepared for when the amount of it lessens and prices are forced to increase.

Pulling out of the war is another reason for us to get us out of our deficit. I think it was a big reason for why our deficits have spiked up to the levels they've got up to in the first place. We should have never invaded Iraq, but there is nothing about it we can do now.

We should take things in order, and realize that the DREAM Act can reduce our country's deficits, and ultimately, act as an economic stimulus if it's implemented and it's taken advantage of to the fullest extent in the United States. Our first step is to successfully pass the DREAM Act through Congress, the House and Senate of the United States.
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Conducting research doesn't increase the country's deficit. I think what you are trying to convey over is a bit misleading. Research is needed to solve a lot of issues that the world currently faces. Reducing spending on research sets us back on attempting to do that.
Well, research is very necessary to move the country forward, but there is also something called over researching, which means that they are spending too much on research. The GOP can save some 10-15 billion bucks just by spending 10-15% less on research.

If something takes 1 year to be researched by spending 1.2 bilion bucks a year, it will only have a set back of 2 months if they decide to spend 1 billion bucks. So they could save some money that way.

By they way, feel free to post again. d:~D
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Before we look at anything, we have to roll back and see the fundamental problem with the U.S. consumer mentality.

Every nation has their entitlement mentality that they should be better off than everyone else. The cheap bargain at the grocery store is cheap because you asked for it. In a free market & global economy; one cannot help but open their eyes and want more of everything. It is the main reason communist countries kept their citizens isolated from Western influence. People are not disciplined enough to know that every reform comes with patience. They are like little babies: "if he has it, I want it too".

In the U.S., the gap is widening between the high and middle class. They can afford to make ends meet, the middle class though would suffer for the basic needs on the bottom of Maslow's pyramid. The corporations wanna squeeze every penny, but so do the Unions with their over-bloated salaries that make no sense.

The reason there are no riots like Greece and London is because shit hasn't hit the fan yet, as long as billions are borrowed daily from foreign investors; the problem will only get delayed. The first thing politicians think about when they get elected, is their re-election strategy. No one wants to make tough choices cause the base will be angry. In Greece, London; they did make those choices; look at what happened. But it has to happen soon in order for the pendulum to swing in the other direction. Electing new politicians won't do a damn thing. Allot of freshmen will vote along party lines so they don't anger their senior counterparts.

There are 46 million food-stamp recipients today. You cut those, expect crime to go up and poverty to increase. What ever decision you do make, it will cost you. Let's say many of your constituents are food-stamp beneficiaries; you cut their benefits, say bye bye to re-election.

If the wars are ended, those soldiers will come back consuming more benefits and being unemployed, the war machine factories will lay off more workers, etc. But those are just a fraction. We have 111 Trillion in unfunded liabilities, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc. If the DA passed, at least young people would pay into the system so baby-boomers can retire; instead of importing grandmas and grandpas via "family unity". But no one wants to make the changes.

As China creates a larger middle class than EU and the U.S combined, the competition for commodities and natural resources will get fierce; China has a surplus, we don't. That is why jobs are leaving the U.S and going closer to the emerging Asian middle class. We cannot be a service industry shuffling papers around; we have to manufacture and have a trade-surplus. With all that said, we can't ask to be paid $60 an hour to screw in a wheel into a GM car.

Gas prices are going $4 in 2011, $5 by 2012. Rise in commodities such as gold and silver, even soy beans; indicate a rise in inflation. Our "allies" in Dubai are going to raise the price per barrel; to compensate for the value decline of the U.S. dollar... after all the dust has cleared, the average consumer gets the whip.

It is hard in my opinion to turn the standard of living back to the 50's and 60's. When ever you have a 2 party system, progress is slow and insignificant; both parties don't wanna lose votes. In China and other one party systems you are more flexible; there is no fear of being kicked out of office.

I don't want to be a pessimist, the world wont end, but life will get harder. I wrote in an earlier post about choosing our degrees carefully; to be more flexible.

There are great economists out there like Peter Schiff & Ron Paul (as tough as he is with immigration) that ran for election, but they lost because they scared the Jesus out of the people.

What may be the right thing economically, it is a suicide politically.
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I say get rid of 50% of the military. We don't need more hummers being washed...
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The only reason that China has a surplus its because people work for a very little pay. Here people like to get a good education only so that they can make a lot of money.

Everything is so expensive that even when people here make 100 times more than what someone in China would make,still, people here are struggling to make ends meet. I can't believe the greediness of some people, that they are willing so kill or make somebody starve just so that they can make a million.
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The only reason that China has a surplus its because people work for a very little pay.
It's only little pay compared to what you make here. In my country for example, with $20 a day you are well off. Also here people don't save. They use their credit cards for the latest version of an iPhone and have nothing to fall back on when they lose their job.

China is in a transition period, and they are doing it slowly (the way its supposed to be done)... They are suppressing their currency like a beach-ball pushed inside the water, when you let go it will explode up.

Plus people here have been spoon fed allot for a long time now. When my country or any other country asks to open the doors for free trade, be prepared for its consequences.
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It is good to have government aid and help for things that save lives.

It is good to do research, but too much spending on research only increases the deficit. An upgrade on everything is good, but the GOP cannot overspend.

*They should reduce the spending on all research by 10-20%.

*They should reduce spending on all kinds of grants by 10%, and be more efficient on how they manage who gets in the grant line first.

*They should reduce the energy cost of government run buildings and facilities and all public schools by using renewable energy like sun energy.

*Reduce the food stamp aid, per say, if they give $500 per child they should give like $350, I know a lot of people who are on food stamps and most of them sell them for money to spend on beer and cigars .

*They should keep the help to the elder and veterans and people with disabilities and help to those in need of life saving help the way it is, for they have helped the economy already and they deserve a shot of life.

*And most importantly, stop fighting useless wars that cost the country something like 2 billion every 2 weeks.
Even though there has been waste and fraud in these wars if you don't fight these wars there is no reason to discuss the other things on list because everyone here in the US will be dead. Speaking from first hand knowledge of being in Iraq until you see the radical Muslims in this world its impossible to explain to someone that there only intentions is to kill us all for what we are. And that is just not Americans that is any free society such as Mexico, britain etc because you are not Muslim. Put a couple large suicide bombers going off everyday in this country and our economy is shut down just like 9/11. I will tell you that if we were not there everyday killing radical Muslims and Al Quieda they would be here in no time killing innocent people by the 1000's everyday. And I know people get tired of the Wars but so do the people fighting them. But these people that are against the war put them in Iraq on bad in the metro area of Baghdad in 2006-2008 and then send them back home there tune would change in a heartbeat. You would never want to face these people at your local mall or backyard they are to me what satin is really that is the only way I could ever put it together is we are killing satin.
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It is good to have government aid and help for things that save lives.

It is good to do research, but too much spending on research only increases the deficit. An upgrade on everything is good, but the GOP cannot overspend.

*They should reduce the spending on all research by 10-20%.

*They should reduce spending on all kinds of grants by 10%, and be more efficient on how they manage who gets in the grant line first.

*They should reduce the energy cost of government run buildings and facilities and all public schools by using renewable energy like sun energy.

*Reduce the food stamp aid, per say, if they give $500 per child they should give like $350, I know a lot of people who are on food stamps and most of them sell them for money to spend on beer and cigars .

*They should keep the help to the elder and veterans and people with disabilities and help to those in need of life saving help the way it is, for they have helped the economy already and they deserve a shot of life.

*And most importantly, stop fighting useless wars that cost the country something like 2 billion every 2 weeks.

I want to finish by saying we are pretty darn close to being able to end these wars because we are pretty close to killing as many radical muslims that they are.

You have to restructure the military so you don't have multiple hiring for the same position and equipment which they are working on now. You don't need a helicopter maintenance team for each group of the service even the coast guard. All serviced don't need different types of planes or there on sets of plane along with there maintenance and different parts. And all parts of the service don't need there own refueling fleet of planes at 300-400 million a piece. We need to organize everything in coordination and have everything serviced from strategic
areas to fit work on them all.

Stop foreign aid to countries that do not believe in the same politics we do Stop educating children in the middle east free of charge because we have educated every terrorist in the world that turns around and wants to kill us.

Instead of cutting off FICA tax at 115,000 dollars for every person let people keep paying it until they pass a million dollars. Saves Social Security right there alone.

Cut the corporate tax down to 12% instead of 35% but make there be no Corporate tax loop holes. Did you know Bank of America did not pay any taxes last year. none IBM non Toyota none think about a person making 25k a year paid in more money in taxes than these multi billion dollar corporations.

I will stop there I could go on all night.
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Believe it or not, sometimes war is good. But it is only good when there is the necessity to fight one. Otherwise its just a waste of money and resources.

Bush did good to capture Saddam Hussein because that bastard deserved it, but that head had a too high of a price.

The war on Afghan is OK if they capture Osama Bin Laden, but I doubt they will. They shouldn't have let him scape in the first place.

I say: long live the US. Stop the GOP from keep bringing the country down, and pass the dream act.
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