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Will Utah pass comprehensive immigration reform?

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01-07-2011, 10:15 PM
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Bucking the trend of state lawmakers vowing to pass tougher immigration laws, a Utah state senator is working to enact a mini-version of comprehensive immigration reform that would only apply in her state. Sen. Luz Robles' bill would give work permits to illegal immigrants who pass background checks and take English and civics classes.

Immigration activists quoted in a positive write-up of the bill in the Deseret News said Utah would set an example for Congress if it passed the "unique" law. Robles told the paper she just wants a practical way to keep tabs on the illegal immigrants in Utah who are already working while clearing a path for them to be treated as full citizens.

But one group of pro-immigration-reform advocates tells The Lookout they are not so thrilled. The conservative evangelicals who have been pushing fellow Republicans to pass a path-to-citizenship law on the federal level question the state law's constitutionality.

"Its is a federal issue," Rev. Sammy Rodriguez, the leader of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, told The Lookout on a conference call today. "I'm appreciative of her effort to push back on [Arizona-type] laws but nevertheless we really need a federal solution. If not, we're going to have Arizona-type laws in one part of the country and Utah-type laws in another part of the country."

"The states have no business meddling in federal law, I'm adamant about that," said Conservatives for Comprehensive Immigration Reform co-founder Robert Gittelson. Gittelson says he hopes the federal government would challenge the law in court if passed, just as it is currently fighting Arizona's SB1070 law.

So far, supporters of a crackdown on immigration enforcement have led the way in state-level debates. That's also been the case in Utah, where lawmakers tried to pass a copy of Arizona's law over the summer. On Wednesday, state legislators from five states announced they would try to redefine birthright citizenship to exclude children of illegal immigrants. They said they want to provoke the Supreme Court to rule on the issue, though many are alarmed at the politicians' proposal to issue a separate class of birth certificates to children of illegal immigrants.

After the death of the DREAM Act immigration bill in the lame-duck session, immigration activists vowed to take a page from advocates of harsher immigration enforcement and take their fight local. But as Gittelson suggests, as more states pass their own laws on either side of the immigration question, both camps might just end up spending a lot of money on doomed court battles.
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01-07-2011, 10:32 PM
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Interesting how these kinds of initiatives started popping out past few days, with Arizona opening Pandora's box. Are we going to draw a new Union-Confederate line, this time over immigration? Is it really that nothing is learned from history?
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Interesting how these kinds of initiatives started popping out past few days, with Arizona opening Pandora's box. Are we going to draw a new Union-Confederate line, this time over immigration? Is it really that nothing is learned from history?
If the Federal Gov. wants to stop this laws from popping up, they need a good CIR bill!!!!!!! (the only solution)
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If the Federal Gov. wants to stop this laws from popping up, they need a good CIR bill!!!!!!! (the only solution)
People need to realize these politicians are out to make noise and get there name out there and they are playing on people's wished to do so how sad is that to get attention to you. When 70% of the people of the country are against immigration reform and the Dream Act its very disrespectful to say that we are going to draw lines in this country and fight another civil war. We lost more people in the civil war than all of our wars combined over 600,000 people. The Civil war was fought not directly over slavery it was fought because the south wanted to succeed from the Union and stop taking orders from the Federal Government Federal government is represented by this country this country is never going to put itself in the same place we are now with immigration. The courts or the people will have to see strict regulation from everything to E=verify, no chain migration, secure border etc just like other countries like Germany control there immigration. When the country see's that what happened to them after Reagan gave amnesty to 4 million illegals as part of a bill that had strict enforcement included in that bill that was never enforced they are going to do everything in there power to stop this. But legally if these lane brain politicians thought there colleagues in there state were taking them serious they would impeach them because the national guard would come and take the state over. Its all a play for votes.
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Maybe all states should pass its own CIR on a state level?
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Maybe all states should pass its own CIR on a state level?

Federal law that the illegal advocacy groups have been yelling about for years you cant deport illegals its a federal issue. States have no power even if they wrote and passed a bill the federal government would step in and shut it down. SB 1070 Arizona bill which wants to enforce federal laws on the books passed there bill and the federal government stepped in the next day with out the Attorney reading the bill of 10 pages. Holder had to sit there in congress and answer the question have you read this bill , no I have not had the chance but your sueing the state on it ? Did you know its 10 pages would you like for us to take a 10 minute break so you can read it. You do not remember all this in Congress.
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Federal law that the illegal advocacy groups have been yelling about for years you cant deport illegals its a federal issue. States have no power even if they wrote and passed a bill the federal government would step in and shut it down. SB 1070 Arizona bill which wants to enforce federal laws on the books passed there bill and the federal government stepped in the next day with out the Attorney reading the bill of 10 pages. Holder had to sit there in congress and answer the question have you read this bill , no I have not had the chance but your sueing the state on it ? Did you know its 10 pages would you like for us to take a 10 minute break so you can read it. You do not remember all this in Congress.
Obama and the Democrats are for CIR and so are a few Reps. I don't see it shut down.
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People need to realize these politicians are out to make noise and get there name out there and they are playing on people's wished to do so how sad is that to get attention to you. When 70% of the people of the country are against immigration reform and the Dream Act its very disrespectful to say that we are going to draw lines in this country and fight another civil war. We lost more people in the civil war than all of our wars combined over 600,000 people. The Civil war was fought not directly over slavery it was fought because the south wanted to succeed from the Union and stop taking orders from the Federal Government Federal government is represented by this country this country is never going to put itself in the same place we are now with immigration. The courts or the people will have to see strict regulation from everything to E=verify, no chain migration, secure border etc just like other countries like Germany control there immigration. When the country see's that what happened to them after Reagan gave amnesty to 4 million illegals as part of a bill that had strict enforcement included in that bill that was never enforced they are going to do everything in there power to stop this. But legally if these lane brain politicians thought there colleagues in there state were taking them serious they would impeach them because the national guard would come and take the state over. Its all a play for votes.
Just read an article about the civil war myths it was all about slavery. A true states rights war is this one over immigration and I can't wait to see what is going to happen.
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If this actually goes through right-wingers will cry double standard(Arizona).
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If this actually goes through right-wingers will cry double standard(Arizona).
... although they are the ones that opened Pandora's box...
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