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Immigration reform is more difficult than you think President Barack Obama

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Hispanics will insist the president to take executive action and policy of deportations sorted

The strategy of President Barack Obama on immigration reform would be giving favorable results for their aspirations for re-election in 2012. But the way ahead is long and the goal of convincing Congress to authorize the legalization of most of the 11 million illegal immigrants, require more assurance for speeches or promises.

On Tuesday May 9 Obama delivered a speech in El Paso, Texas, where he highlighted the contribution of immigrants, he sought help from the Hispanic community to convince Congress and blamed the Republicans to block efforts to change existing immigration laws. He also said security administration complied with the demands imposed by Republicans in previous debates, and that goal had been moved to keep alive the opposition to the project.

"We have seen many accusations and acrimonious politics and rhetoric on the topic of immigration reform, Obama said. "We've seen a good faith effort on the part of leaders have succumbed to the usual manipulations of Washington. And meanwhile, have seen the growing consequences of decades of inaction, "he added.

Inaction cited by the president on record since the 2005 debate when the House of Representatives passed a reform bill that would severely criminalized and the Senate responded with a version that included a path to legalization regulated. And when the Conference Committee harmonises both versions, then Republican leaders canceled the process citing national security reasons.

War postures

The failure triggered an anti-immigrant climate justified and criticized by the same argument stated by Obama: Congress' inaction. Opponents of immigration reform debate justify the state's anti-immigrant proposals indicate that the federal government and Congress did not act to find a solution to the problem of illegal immigrants, and advocates warn that the same inaction feeds anti-immigrant groups that promote initiatives against illegal immigrants.

The result, five years after the cancellation of the conference committee, is the debate in at least 30 states of severe bills and approval of proposals that led to a strong national debate. Arizona, for example, passed SB1070 that would criminalize undocumented stay (act that the rest of the country remains a lack of civil not criminal), and the states of Texas and Georgia have just inspired Arizona enact laws that grant special powers to the local police to prosecute illegal immigration.

And 41 other states have leaned plans to discuss and approve legislatures amend Amendment 14 of the United States Constitution, which grants automatic citizenship to everyone born on U.S. soil, regardless of whether he is the son of illegal immigrants.

A report by the National Council of La Raza (NCLR) and The Urban Institute reports that between 4 and 5 million American children are one or two children of undocumented parents may be arrested and deported from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

The promise, 2008

During the 2008 presidential campaign Obama promised to push immigration reform in the first year in office, but other discussions of national interest (the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the financial crisis and reform health care) postponed indefinitely a compromise that elections in November 2010 he took their toll on Obama, the Democrats lost control of the House of Representatives and four seats Republicans retook the Senate, where Democrats have only 51 seats.

For that immigration reform is approved, it takes 60 votes in the Senate (where Democrats have only 47 supporters) and 218 in the House (where Republicans say they will not support any initiative that "smacks of amnesty or legalization for undocumented immigrants . I insist that before addressing the issue of reform, the government must first secure the borders.

Obama said in El Paso, Texas, that his administration has already secured the border and it's time to move to the second step, immigration reform. "We have done much more than as requested by the same Republicans who said they supported a broader reform that really always ensure compliance with the law. However, although we have responded to these concerns, I suspect that some will try to impose new conditions, once again. Say that we need three or four times more border patrol personnel. Say we need a higher fence to support the reform. Maybe they will say we need a surrounding moat? Or alligators? Never be satisfied. And I understand. That is politics, "he added.

The new strategy

Anticipating more difficult to meet, even at the wrong time-the 2008 election promise, Obama launched on April 19 a new strategy that aims to gather as much support as possible in civil society to pressure Congress to approve the reform migration, possibly in 2011. And met with business, religious, lawyers, officials and former officials, activists, politicians, television talent, film stars and members who said it will spend "political capital" in this new effort, but insisted that it alone can not -convince Congress, and it needs the cooperation of all to get it discussed and adopted the reform.

"We welcome the fact that, at last, the president is using the platform of the presidency to raise this issue," said Clarissa Martinez de Castro, director of campaigns and immigration policy of La Raza. "It was something you were asking in the last two years."

He added that "we agree with him on several points," referring to the speech of El Paso. "We agree that we are in a situation of a systemic failure of our immigration policies that require legislative action by Congress. And we need the Republicans to cooperate in reaching a solution, to use the platform of the president to advance the conversation and to make that reform happen (...) It's like asking Congress to act responsibly and do their job. "

Complicated scenario

Martinez de Castro, however, notes that the scenario is complex and that immigration reform "passed by Congress." But he argues that while this happens, "the President (Obama) can use his executive power to mitigate the impact of public policies that the administration is running on our communities."

He regretted that on this issue is not to say anything in El Paso. "Unfortunately he included in his speech. We would have liked to have seen.

In the first two years in office Obama DHS has deported more than 800 thousand illegal immigrants, a record in the history of the agency. The Coalition for Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles (CHIRLA) says that between six and seven in 10 expelled by the government had no serious criminal record that became a threat to national security.

The campaign director of La Raza said that the President may exercise discretion and allow the DHS avoque "on the criminal element in our communities, to adhere to these principio0s, and also to give clear guidelines to prevent the deportation of people Young (who qualifies for a possible approval of the Dream Act) and the unnecessary separation of families (parents of the 4 or 5 million U.S. citizen children of undocumented parents.)

Bipartisan

The view is shared by the Martinez Center for American Progress (CAP) in Washington DC. "We established the operational control at the border has increased border patrol personnel have been built more barriers, we have implemented a very controversial policy of catch and evolution and has deployed the program on employment verification workplaces (E-Verify). Obviously this has been a high price for the community. But now that we've filled these requirements, it is time to talk about the other party, to immigration reform, the legalization of the 11 million undocumented immigrants, "said Vanessa Cardenas.

As for executive action, Cardenas said that such action "may have political and legal implications" for the president that could affect it, and opted for the strategy of "support" the efforts being made to civil society over and put pressure on Congress.

"And we need to see a bipartisan agreement," he said.

"But this is a very difficult debate," he added. "And it's hard to believe politicians. This is the reality we have. We have a party that is afraid of the issue and one that is not interested. And we have to participate in this stage and take into account that not to get involved or become disillusioned of the political system is not going to help keep moving the agenda of immigration reform in Washington, "he said Cárdenas.


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Reading things like this kinda gives me a sense of being in limbo... I wan't things to be normal already!!!
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Anyone want to guess which party is afraid of the issue and which one is not interested in it at all?
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even immigration reform is more difficult to pass. congress still need to work on it, and this is not only dealing with 1 million people. it is 12 millions! Talk is BS, need a action. We have been wait like many many years since Dream Act has been introduced in 2001. and we are still undocumented. No Job, No School, and No Future
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Lets all get Master's degrees and get the fuck out! No one will ever call us illegals and we will have the tools to succeed anywhere. Go back to your country and apply for jobs overseas, like Canada or European countries with alarming birthrates. Besides we might suffer there but at least we will be controlling our own destiny. It is like the playoffs when you need on other teams to pass to the next round. No matter how hard you play if the other team looses you are out either way. we need the ability to control our destiny!
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little F... pardon my language. it wasn't so hard to pass the health care reform. he did it. and guess what HCR caused rate hike on existing health insurance. but regardless president obama did it. if he would put the same effort on CIR then i am sure some kind of outcome would come. wether the end is kicking us out of here or letting us breathe at peace.
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little F... pardon my language. it wasn't so hard to pass the health care reform. he did it. and guess what HCR caused rate hike on existing health insurance. but regardless president obama did it. if he would put the same effort on CIR then i am sure some kind of outcome would come. wether the end is kicking us out of here or letting us breathe at peace.

If they would pressure their own party we would have papers now. They had 3 republicans voting yes.
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http://noticias.univision.com/inmigr...-dificil-obama

Hispanics will insist the president to take executive action and policy of deportations sorted

The strategy of President Barack Obama on immigration reform would be giving favorable results for their aspirations for re-election in 2012. But the way ahead is long and the goal of convincing Congress to authorize the legalization of most of the 11 million illegal immigrants, require more assurance for speeches or promises.

On Tuesday May 9 Obama delivered a speech in El Paso, Texas, where he highlighted the contribution of immigrants, he sought help from the Hispanic community to convince Congress and blamed the Republicans to block efforts to change existing immigration laws. He also said security administration complied with the demands imposed by Republicans in previous debates, and that goal had been moved to keep alive the opposition to the project.

"We have seen many accusations and acrimonious politics and rhetoric on the topic of immigration reform, Obama said. "We've seen a good faith effort on the part of leaders have succumbed to the usual manipulations of Washington. And meanwhile, have seen the growing consequences of decades of inaction, "he added.

Inaction cited by the president on record since the 2005 debate when the House of Representatives passed a reform bill that would severely criminalized and the Senate responded with a version that included a path to legalization regulated. And when the Conference Committee harmonises both versions, then Republican leaders canceled the process citing national security reasons.

War postures

The failure triggered an anti-immigrant climate justified and criticized by the same argument stated by Obama: Congress' inaction. Opponents of immigration reform debate justify the state's anti-immigrant proposals indicate that the federal government and Congress did not act to find a solution to the problem of illegal immigrants, and advocates warn that the same inaction feeds anti-immigrant groups that promote initiatives against illegal immigrants.

The result, five years after the cancellation of the conference committee, is the debate in at least 30 states of severe bills and approval of proposals that led to a strong national debate. Arizona, for example, passed SB1070 that would criminalize undocumented stay (act that the rest of the country remains a lack of civil not criminal), and the states of Texas and Georgia have just inspired Arizona enact laws that grant special powers to the local police to prosecute illegal immigration.

And 41 other states have leaned plans to discuss and approve legislatures amend Amendment 14 of the United States Constitution, which grants automatic citizenship to everyone born on U.S. soil, regardless of whether he is the son of illegal immigrants.

A report by the National Council of La Raza (NCLR) and The Urban Institute reports that between 4 and 5 million American children are one or two children of undocumented parents may be arrested and deported from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

The promise, 2008

During the 2008 presidential campaign Obama promised to push immigration reform in the first year in office, but other discussions of national interest (the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the financial crisis and reform health care) postponed indefinitely a compromise that elections in November 2010 he took their toll on Obama, the Democrats lost control of the House of Representatives and four seats Republicans retook the Senate, where Democrats have only 51 seats.

For that immigration reform is approved, it takes 60 votes in the Senate (where Democrats have only 47 supporters) and 218 in the House (where Republicans say they will not support any initiative that "smacks of amnesty or legalization for undocumented immigrants . I insist that before addressing the issue of reform, the government must first secure the borders.

Obama said in El Paso, Texas, that his administration has already secured the border and it's time to move to the second step, immigration reform. "We have done much more than as requested by the same Republicans who said they supported a broader reform that really always ensure compliance with the law. However, although we have responded to these concerns, I suspect that some will try to impose new conditions, once again. Say that we need three or four times more border patrol personnel. Say we need a higher fence to support the reform. Maybe they will say we need a surrounding moat? Or alligators? Never be satisfied. And I understand. That is politics, "he added.

The new strategy

Anticipating more difficult to meet, even at the wrong time-the 2008 election promise, Obama launched on April 19 a new strategy that aims to gather as much support as possible in civil society to pressure Congress to approve the reform migration, possibly in 2011. And met with business, religious, lawyers, officials and former officials, activists, politicians, television talent, film stars and members who said it will spend "political capital" in this new effort, but insisted that it alone can not -convince Congress, and it needs the cooperation of all to get it discussed and adopted the reform.

"We welcome the fact that, at last, the president is using the platform of the presidency to raise this issue," said Clarissa Martinez de Castro, director of campaigns and immigration policy of La Raza. "It was something you were asking in the last two years."

He added that "we agree with him on several points," referring to the speech of El Paso. "We agree that we are in a situation of a systemic failure of our immigration policies that require legislative action by Congress. And we need the Republicans to cooperate in reaching a solution, to use the platform of the president to advance the conversation and to make that reform happen (...) It's like asking Congress to act responsibly and do their job. "

Complicated scenario

Martinez de Castro, however, notes that the scenario is complex and that immigration reform "passed by Congress." But he argues that while this happens, "the President (Obama) can use his executive power to mitigate the impact of public policies that the administration is running on our communities."

He regretted that on this issue is not to say anything in El Paso. "Unfortunately he included in his speech. We would have liked to have seen.

In the first two years in office Obama DHS has deported more than 800 thousand illegal immigrants, a record in the history of the agency. The Coalition for Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles (CHIRLA) says that between six and seven in 10 expelled by the government had no serious criminal record that became a threat to national security.

The campaign director of La Raza said that the President may exercise discretion and allow the DHS avoque "on the criminal element in our communities, to adhere to these principio0s, and also to give clear guidelines to prevent the deportation of people Young (who qualifies for a possible approval of the Dream Act) and the unnecessary separation of families (parents of the 4 or 5 million U.S. citizen children of undocumented parents.)

Bipartisan

The view is shared by the Martinez Center for American Progress (CAP) in Washington DC. "We established the operational control at the border has increased border patrol personnel have been built more barriers, we have implemented a very controversial policy of catch and evolution and has deployed the program on employment verification workplaces (E-Verify). Obviously this has been a high price for the community. But now that we've filled these requirements, it is time to talk about the other party, to immigration reform, the legalization of the 11 million undocumented immigrants, "said Vanessa Cardenas.

As for executive action, Cardenas said that such action "may have political and legal implications" for the president that could affect it, and opted for the strategy of "support" the efforts being made to civil society over and put pressure on Congress.

"And we need to see a bipartisan agreement," he said.

"But this is a very difficult debate," he added. "And it's hard to believe politicians. This is the reality we have. We have a party that is afraid of the issue and one that is not interested. And we have to participate in this stage and take into account that not to get involved or become disillusioned of the political system is not going to help keep moving the agenda of immigration reform in Washington, "he said Cárdenas.


Do any of us really believe Obama is going to do some this controversial when he is running for re=election ? He is going try to appeal to everyone so he can get that all important undecided votes that got him elected last time. Look at me Barack Obama I am going to tell everyone something different so you like me. ugh!
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I have set my sites on his second term .. Maybe then he will do something in his 100 days..
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you know what's more difficult than most would think?


Being a wetback.
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