A Nation of Immigrants

First of all, we are all entitled to our own opinions on each issue. hence comes the freedom of speech. but still I plan to apologize if i offend anyone in the course of this writing.

Recently I was approached about my AVATAR (a kid taking a pissing at "la migra")...that it might be offensive, so i removed. further browsing on this site there was a forum about "quit putting different flags or so". I work in a store...and often someone (not naming race, etc) approaches and goes "don't talk in spanish this is america" or "what is becoming of this place....now u got tacos...soon all this will be all mexican". That is very demeaning and bigot. For awhile I felt worse until my boss approached the culprit and told him to "f**k off the store and we have the right to refuse service and if he fell we didn't provide adequate service to go somewhere else, further he told him if he had problem with tacos then go to taco bell and tell them to stop selling tacos aswell". This is america and this place is build in a cultural mosaic. or able to celebrate St. Patrick day, there is chinatown, etc.

At least we are not burning the American Flag, and we have far better knowledge of the goverment and laws of this country. Hate will b there...and this is a capitalist country...every saturday when i go to "sam's club" there is always an announcer in spanish advertising the goodies; the bank has a sign posted "matricula consular accepted"; and i am sure somewhere in this country there is a place with all other nations flag flying high.

So should I change and become someone else...?

Piss in their Tea.

Don't take my suggestion too personally. Having that as your avatar has nothing to do with displaying your country's flag. You're taking this to a whole new level. Insulting American's law (your avatar) is comparable to "burning the American Flag."

I apologize if my attitude has pissed many of you off here, but I'm kind of conservative myself and hang out at some conservative forums. The key to winning this battle, I believe, is getting to know the opponents. If you know how much I've argued with them on our behalf, you'd know I'm on your side.

I'm still in the same boat as everyone else.

God will give us justice.

I agree with certain aspects, but here's the thing on the whole flag thing; the other thread got locked and I don't want to beat a dead horse, but no one should wave mexican/or other nation's flags for the DREAM Act.

Take it how you want, it's not a matter of opinion as far as I'm concerned, DREAM is about our youth culture who assimilated themselves into the American culture, identify themselves as Americans and proud US Citizens if given the chance.

When you wave your birth country's flag at a rally promoting an adjustment of status, who in the right fuckin mind is going to give any empathy to the plight of the undocumented youth? The whole point is to deliver a message that we THOUGHT we were US Citizens until the hard cold truth was discovered in our teens or whenever.

It's not a national pride rally or show your roots rally, you can go do your own shit in your own spare time if you're so proud of your culture, it has no place in the Dream Act.

Anyone waving other than the US flag at an event promoting our legislation, should just go live in the country of whatever the hell flag they have - because all it's doing is harming our cause.

I couldnt agree more

Thankfully, burning the US flag is Constitutionally protected speech, as is waving flags of different countries. THAT is part of America, and assimilation doesn't mean drinking the anti-immigration kool-aid. First generation immigrants throughout the years have kept that spiritual link with their home countries and brought that cultural awareness to America via Little Italy, Chinatown, K-town, J-town, Little Armenia - it goes on and on.

People are going to hate, and waving a US flag around won't change anyone's minds. America's strength comes from it's multiculturalism not from generic homogenized masses. Not only that, but what does it mean to assimilate anyway? Creamed onions at Thanksgiving? Hmm.... think through what you're saying, and don't toss away your heritage simply because a minority of Americans want you to.

if you're gonna wave mexican flag and you are so proud of its heritage, go back to mexico. same goes to every other ethnicity. assimilation means you identify as american more so than mexican. waving mexican flag just sends out the wrong messege to people who are in control of your future if you so choose to stay in this country. its just common sense. its not about pride or being loyal to your heritage. its about common f***ing sense.

but alas, some people still wave the mexican flags defiantly chanting "si se puede" as if that will convince average americans to legalize illegal aliens. see how we cant even agree on this little simple thing? this is why DREAM ACT has failed so many times before and will fail again and again in the foreseeable future.

+1 i totally agree with u

From the flag raising debate I understood the point of view of carnivore, it has been an issue that anti-immigration groups have been using against the DREAM Act movement for a long time. They keep on focusing on the people carrying a Mexican flag and shouting in spanish, and a lot of pro-immigration organizations are taking notice of that and making it one of the main objectives to let people know before protesting to bring out american flags and not their foreign flags. And it does disappoint me it has to be that way, we are losing our freedom of expression, we are losing our cultural background and after we lose that some of us are getting deported, it just does not sound right to me.

I apologize for the comments I am about to make but it reminds me of something, I was seeing this documentary on the Greensboro Four. Did you know that the first time that sat in that whites only counter the manager brought a black cook to try to persuade them to leave, and the black cook told the Greensboro Four that they should leave because they are giving a bad name to the black community. Imagine if they left, one of the most significant historical moments in this country's civil rights movement would have never happened, imagine if we let go of our cultural identity. We would be nothing more than foreign individuals dressed in American clothing, at least that is how I feel they would look at us. We cannot be American to those people because we never looked like the average american person, yet we cannot be from our countries of birth because we left at a very young age, came to this country, called it home and accustomed to its culture and its ways.

I think that the dreamer community has its own special blend of culture, and the thing is that we are not all mexican, I am not mexican, I am colombian raised in the United States, and there are people from the UK, there are people from Russia, there are people from Europe, Asia, Africa, South and Central America, and there might be people from Australia (I have not found one yet however). Our blend is part of our country of birth and part of this country, we are a mix, and it should be to this country's great advantage because not only can we navigate this country's culture, but we can navigate the culture of our parents, yet we pledge allegiance to the flag of this country the United States of America, at least I have been pledging allegiance to our flag since elementary school and believe in it, I know its history much better than I have ever known the history of my country of birth.

This is after all a nation of immigrants, which has historically been made stronger by its immigrant population.