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Regarding Job Discrimination & Your EAD

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#1
01-14-2013, 06:16 AM
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I have been researching this issue since people started bringing their stories to the forum about how they're being told flat-out by employers or hiring managers that the company cannot and will not hire applicants with EADs.

Reading the instructions on the actual I-9 form, we find that employers must not:
1)Demand that an employee show specific documents
2)Ask to see employment authorization documents before an individual accepts a job offer
3)Refuse to accept a document, or refuse to hire an individual, because a document will expire in the future
4)Refuse to accept a receipt that is acceptable for Form I-9 purposes
-Demand a specific document when reverifying that an employee is authorized to work
Most relevant to us as DACA recipients is number 3 above, bolded.

Digging further, however, there is the following:


Why the however above? Notice above who is protected by this law: US citizens, permanent residents, asylees, and refugees.

It turns out that the full ruling regarding citizenship or immigration status discrimination states that it does not apply to non-immigrant aliens.

That would be us, DACA recipients with our EADs.

What's more, this affects those workers with professional visas, like H1, also considered non-immigrant aliens. Digging around the internet, there are various accounts of people with non-immigrant visas claiming discrimination because they have EADs — the same situation we're facing right now.

What does this mean? It is discrimination, no argument about that. The thing is the employer is allowed to do it.

We are protected against other types of discrimination, though. We can't be discriminated against our national origin, for instance:


So if a company hires an EAD-authorized person from a different country, but denies you employment because you have an EAD and you're from a different country, you can file a claim of discrimination in this case.

We're also protected against document abuse (an employer can't specify what documents you must show, and he can't single you out alone to re-verify your documents), and retaliation (if you bring up possible discrimination, and taking action against it).

This is straight from the USCIS website, on the section titled I-9 Central, which I suggest everyone read thoroughly and become familiar with the rules.

There are more subtleties to this, of course, so if you believe you've been subject to any type of discrimination, it's wise to consult with a lawyer or to contact the appropriate government agencies.

The best thing is to keep looking if you're turned down because of your EAD, and to try to educate those in charge of hiring that our EADs won't require sponsorship, and that they're renewable. Even then, though, companies reserve the right to hire workers with permanent work authorization.

In the end, don't fret, my friends. There are opportunities out there so don't give up. Just think where we were before DACA: could we even have gotten a job at McDonald's flipping burgers or at a K-Mart mopping floors? Not legally, at least. So keep that in mind, and stay positive.



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For further reading:
-USCIS - I-9 Central
-The full text of the employment discrimination law which specifies what types of aliens are protected.
-A few threads from previous years of H1 workers discussing EAD discrimination: 1, 2
-Website that supports this:
Can employers discriminate against employees requiring visa sponsorship?

Non-immigrant aliens, whether work authorized or not, aliens not in legal status in the U.S. and others requiring visa sponsorship are not protected by the anti-discrimination provisions in IRCA. [...]
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01-14-2013, 08:40 PM
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01-14-2013, 08:45 PM
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Thank you for a great thread. This will happened a lot in higher position, engineer, programers, medical fields, because employers want people stable who can be at their job at any time. No chance of their employees not being able to work because of their limit. Lower competitive jobs should have no problem with it.
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01-14-2013, 11:39 PM
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Hey this is very helpful maybe someone oughtta' sticky this, just my opinion!
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01-15-2013, 01:06 AM
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Some additional, important information:

After doing more research, some companies adopted policies against the hiring of EAD-authorized individuals because, in the past, they had to deal with hiring non-immigrant alien workers who then were unable to renew their work authorizations, and subsequently had to leave the country — and their jobs, of course. Thus, the company loses money by losing a worker it spent time and resources training and giving experience to.

I came to the conclusion that when a company tells you "Sorry, we don't sponsor," they're really telling you "We prefer not to hire workers with work authorizations that may potentially not be renewed in the future; thank you." In other words, EADs and non-immigrant statuses are viewed as unstable, uncertain, and unreliable employment authorizations.

For this reason, some major companies have adopted the policy of sponsoring any non-immigrant aliens they do hire. So one of these companies, after all, may hire a worker with an EAD, but the company will immediately begin the sponsorship process. This way, they make sure they won't lose this worker unexpectedly. The spaces for these sponsored workers, however, are few and far between. The sponsorship process is expensive and risky for the company so they limit the number of employees who go through this.

Everyone else gets the standard replies: "Our company is not sponsoring at the moment" or "Get back to us when you get your green card."
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01-16-2013, 12:23 AM
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Hey guys! So I took the liberty, and I hope Dark Apotheosis doesn't mind, to contact the National Immigration Law Center (NILC) regarding this issue to confirm basically what Dark Apotheosis found. So I'm sharing his response to this issue:
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Dear _____,

Thank you for reaching out to NILC on this important issue. Apologies for the long email, but I want to cover all of the questions that you emailed. As I understand it, your question is whether a prospective employer can refuse to hire a DACA recipient on the basis that she is not a U.S. citizen or permanent resident. The short answer to this question, unfortunately, is that--with some limited exceptions--the law does not prohibit an employer from discriminating against job applicants on the basis of citizenship or immigration status in the hiring process.

First off, I reviewed the list-serve posting by "Dark Apotheosis" that you provided and it is basically correct. Nice work, Dark Apotheosis!

Federal law prohibits discrimination in hiring against U.S. citizens, legal permanent residents, temporary residents, asylees and refugees based on their citizenship or immigration status. Unfortunately, DACA recipients do not fall within any of these protected categories. (DACA recipients are not considered "temporary residents" as specifically defined by federal law.) Therefore, DACA recipients would not be protected, during the hiring process, from discrimination based on their EAD or immigration status.

DACA recipients, though, are protected from other forms of discrimination. Federal law makes it illegal for an employer (with at least 4 employees) to treat workers differently based on their national origin when hiring. Therefore, as "Dark Apotheosis" suggests, an employer who hires DACA recipients from one country, but refuses to hire DACA recipients from another country may violate this provision of the law.

DACA recipients are also protected from document abuse. This means that an employer (of 4 or more employees) cannot:
--ask DACA recipients for more proof of identity or work authorization than the Form I-9 requires;
--ask DACA recipients for specific identity or work authorization documents, but instead must allow the worker to select which documents to show from the approved list of documents in the I-9 instructions;
--refuse to accept identity or work authorization documents from a DACA recipient that appear to be genuine.

Finally, federal law prohibits an employer from retaliating (or taking negative action) against a DACA recipient for asserting his or her rights under the anti-discrimination provisions described above.

The federal agency that enforces the anti-discrimination provisions above is called the Office of Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Employment Practices (or OSC for short). If you or anyone you know has questions about the anti-discrimination provisions above, or think that you have been discriminated against, you should call OSC's free worker hotline at 1-800-255-7688. Our experience has been that OSC does a good job answering workers' questions and helping qualified workers who have experienced discrimination. Be aware that you must make a claim of discrimination with OSC within 180 days from when the discrimination happened.

NILC has also created a FAQ on workplace rights and DACA, which may answer other DACA workers' rights questions that come up. The FAQs can be found here: http://www.nilc.org/dacaworkplacerights.html

I hope this answers your questions. Please let me know if you have other questions. Feel free to share this information with your DACA network and allies.

Sincerely,


Joshua Stehlik | Workers' Rights Attorney
National Immigration Law Center
3435 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 2850
Los Angeles, CA 90010
t: 213.674.2817 | f: 213.639.3911 | e: [email protected]
It's a sad confirmation of the info Dark Apotheosis gave us, but at least we are informed and now know that we have yet one more reason to fight for fair and comprehensive immigration reform.

Hope this info helps someone out there and ease some questions you might have had.
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Its really just business they don't want liabilities extra to deal with
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Fuck 'em. /ThreadClosed
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Great thread!
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Powerful stuff. Good job.
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