"Why gay marriage advocates feel cheated by the immigration bill"

Well this could turn out to be interesting....

http://news.yahoo.com/why-gay-marria...155600845.html



"These people are not immigrants; they are American citizens forced to choose between their country and their spouse. No heterosexual would see that exclusion as anything other than what it is: The American government's persecution of its own citizens, even as it seeks to ease the plight of its resident non-citizens. And breaking up families or forcing them to move abroad to stay together is more than discrimination. It's cruelty. [The Dish]
Meghan Austin is one of the people who will be affected by the failed amendment. "My partner needs a green card now," she wrote on the Immigration Equality Fund's blog. "If I were straight, she would already have one."

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The two issues are separate and one struggle shouldn't hinder the other.

This bill doesn't discriminate against gays. Any gay dreamers or other undocumented immigrants would be covered the same.

If gay marriage is ever fully accepted by the US and its states, then those would apply for immigration purposes as well.

Lumping the two together when it can hinder immigration reform will hurt gays just as much as other immigrants.

I am really baffled at why my post would get deleted.. Because what I said is what 99.9% of every person on this forum feels.

But ok.

So, if the issue is that any *gay* American citizen should have the right to file and receive immigration benefits for their foreign-born *spouse*, isn't DOMA the real issue at hand????

Most importantly, this marriage-based immigration benefit can be sought if you live in a state that does not recognize gay marriage? The real issue is DOMA and the Supreme Court will decide that in two weeks. The stakes for CIR are far greater than just DOMA and we are all hoping for the best right now. This is a DOMA *domestic* federal policy issue. CIR applies to national security, economic development, family preservation (in the traditional sense, dad/mom + kids), children's rights, etc.

Gay immigration rights should be discussed after CIR is passed. Putting it on the bill is asking for too much at the moment.

As much as I oppose gay marriage for religious purposes, gay people need to fight their own battle if they want the government to recognize their rights. Attaching gay rights to CIR would be a complete failure for the latter.

Sorry we want equal rights as much as you want to be legalized.

If it were the other way around, you'd feel the same was as we're feeling. and no we're not "that fucking stupid"

And don't talk about the LGBT community throwing senators under the bus because I know for a fact a bunch of you guys threw Obama under the bus for "not doing his job" and then suddenly loved him cos of his EO for DACA. Don't be hypocrites people.

I don't have anything against the LGBT community but what if this CIR bill does not pass, and next year or in the future, they make a bill for LGBT and immigration groups start to try to get something in that bill that would jeopardized the chances of their bill passing?

@iriotx: If you are a gay American citizen, your American citizenship gives you far, far more rights than what we are asking for. We are not asking for equality, we are asking for opportunity. Equality means you are entitled to the same rights as your fellow citizens. We ask for an opportunity to earn a place in this society as we are NOT citizens of this country. Very, very different principle.

On the other hand, if you are an undocumented gay immigrant, CIR should allow you the opportunity to earn your own legalization, rather than it being granted through marriage to your American spouse. If you prefer the latter, I don't blame you, but you cannot say that CIR would prevent you from pursuing legalization, unless you arrived after 2011.