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House Proposal for Guest Workers Could Derail Immigration Reform

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08-06-2013, 02:58 AM
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U.S. House Republicans are considering a change to the Senate's comprehensive immigration reform bill that would add more visas for guest workers but also likely widen the divide between advocates for business interests and labor unions.

The proposal in the House would raise the number of newly created "W" visas for low-skilled immigrant workers to 400,000 from the Senate's limit of about 220,000. According to House sources, Republican Reps. Ted Poe of Texas and Raul Labrador of Idaho are pushing the expanded visa idea to satisfy the labor demands of agriculture and construction in their states.


The problem is that earlier this year, the negotiation over the guest-worker program -- how many low-skilled immigrant workers to allow and what they should be paid -- was one of the most contentious issues the Senate "Gang of Eight" had to resolve.

The AFL-CIO and other labor unions wanted to limit visas for low-skilled immigrants, saying the foreign workers threaten to take too many jobs from Americans. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, on the other hand, supported more visas because U.S. corporations said they needed a larger pool of workers.

Making peace between the labor unions and the chamber was one of the most difficult things the Senate negotiators had to do. Now the House wants to reopen the wounds.

"I believe that we need a guest worker program that actually works because guest workers play an important role in the American economy and more specifically in the state of Idaho," Rep. Labrador says. "This guest worker program will not include a pathway to citizenship or amnesty."

Immigration reform figures to be at the top of Congress' agenda when lawmakers return to Washington from their August recess.
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God, do these guys know anything about writing legislations? I don't understand why they can't just take up the damn senate bill
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Because they don't want Obama to get all the glory. If this bill passes, it'll go down in history as "Mr. Obama did it again!"

They're trying to derail it.
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NO increase in guest workers program. Too many guest workers already!
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Because they don't want Obama to get all the glory. If this bill passes, it'll go down in history as "Mr. Obama did it again!"

They're trying to derail it.

Democrats senators do not want Obama to take all the glory, either.

Obama will not have to worry about any re-elections.

Democrats senators and representatives have to worry about the re-election.

That is why Harry Reid and his colleagues push to pass an UNCONSTITUTIONAL bill (S. 744) in the Senate, but later refuses to deliver the bill to the House of Representatives.

I believe these democrats knew from DAY ONE that S. 744 would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
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Democrats senators do not want Obama to take all the glory, either.

Obama will not have to worry about any re-elections.

Democrats senators and representatives have to worry about the re-election.

That is why Harry Reid and his colleagues push to pass an UNCONSTITUTIONAL bill (S. 744) in the Senate, but later refuses to deliver the bill to the House of Representatives.

I believe these democrats knew from DAY ONE that S. 744 would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
What? There's no reason why the bill is unconstitutional. Are you thinking about the origination clause?
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What? There's no reason why the bill is unconstitutional. Are you thinking about the origination clause?
It is unconstitutional because it generates revenue. And any revenue-generating bill has to start from the House.

This unconstitutional issue was discussed in as early as 2006 when the Democrats were in the minority (There are still reports online that you can find). The democrats leaders in the Senate should be very clear that this revenue-generating bill should NOT originate from the Senate at all.
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Sure, if you're into specious constitutional arguments. Raising revenue has always been interpreted as taxation. This bill doesn't levy taxes. In addition, not a single Republican senator voted against this because it was "unconstitutional." The House could refuse to pass it, ostensibly on this pretext, but have no doubt that it would be just that: a pretext.
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Yeah. The conspiracy theory doesn't make any sense. Whether the bill is unconstitutional or not what would the chances be of the house taking up an immigration bill passed from the senate?

2)If the dems purposely passed an unconstitutional bill and knew it would not be taken up by the house because of it being unconstitutional, what type of political damage would they face? Would they not give republicans ammo? If the bill is truly unconstitutional would there not be a bigger uproar about it since it would be eventually repealed if it went to the supreme court?

Only a minority in the GOP is calling S.744 unconstitutional. They may not understand the Constitution. Its kind of like how they wanted Obama's birth certificate and said he could not be president because he may not have been born in the US. But Mr. Tea Party Ted Cruz has no issues even though he was born in Canada to a US citizen. It's poo on the wall they're trying to make stick.
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Wouldn't they have to compromise in a joint committee from both chambers?
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