oh god, friends want bushs brother to be president

Just because he's married to some Mexican woman.


" What about what he said about removing DACA which you reply on?"

-he needs to so he pass an immigration reform!

"House and Senate are controlled by republicans"

Soooooo?

At this point, the only reason why I support a democrat to become president is we know for sure he/she will not get rid of DACA but who knows, maybe a Republican will keep DACA running as well. There's uncertainty all over the place. Until either party controls both House and Senate with a filibuster proof majority, there will be no immigration reform in this country. We must fight to keep DACA alive and hopefully DAPA as well. My top candidate for the election would be Bernie Sanders or if its a Republican, Rand Paul. Clinton is just going to be Obama 2.0.

Clinton is a big question mark. She's been around and she's pro-immigrant, but I agree with the feeling of her being a third term of Obama. No push for immigration and an occasional bone thrown here and there.

Sanders I honestly don't trust. His history with immigration is almost as murky as Reid's. He'd sign a bill if one's placed before him, but we can't expect any kind of a push from him there. In regards of immigration we'll have another Obama, have to support it to get the votes, but be very passive about it.

Paul is the only republican we could survive through but ironically also really the only guy we could get reform under. DACA would most likely go unless it's left to be forgotten, but at least he's not a wacko who thinks you can put 11 million people onto buses, planes, and boats. We'd need a democratic senate majority (even a marginal one would do) and a democratic house here however. Senate republicans would likely partially support a bill, and it'd get through the house somehow. Remember, no one remembers Romano L. Mazzoli and Alan K. Simpson.

Overall 2016 doesn't look good for us, at all. It probably won't get worse, but it won't get better either.

We can only pray for another Obama 2.0.

I think it's hilarious that you guys are seriously rooting for Rand Paul from the GOP side. Rand Freaking Paul? Do you all forget so quickly that he voted against CIR? Here's his op ED on why he voted against it http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...orm-93340.html

So basically Paul wants to go with the unrealistic and unattainable metrics of the generality of "border security". Don't you guys remember the arguments from that summer?

Do you guys even realize that he supports ending DACA. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5698503.html

Do you guys realize that Paul supports Ted Cruz's bill to prevent Obama from using EO on immigration?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...or-2016-issue/

Man I expected more from people in this forum. WOW. Rand Paul????

Your reading comprehension is something I'd expect from a Fox viewer.

Paul is the best of the worst possible outcomes. You never know, democrats might lose the white house. Honestly if that happens then we need someone who's not a fucking maniac on the GOP side. DACA will go especially if this fucking sham with eDACA and DAPA doesn't come to some sort of conclusion soon.

If they'd do DACA and stop there at this point no one would remember it. But nope, they decided to extend it and give identical relief to people who produced citizen / LPR offspring.

Rooting for GOP? Never, but GOP will never give democrats Immigration Reform. No matter what happens we're fucked. We'd need another George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan in office.

You're not making any sense.. The guy who's against DACA, voted against CIR, and supports the Tea Party is the best possible outcome? Apparently you either don't know the records of each candidate or have the analytical skills of a pre-schooler. If anything Bush is the best possible outcome. Which is exactly why the GOP is propping him up so much to win over the Hispanic votes. Unlike Paul, Bush supports DACA, CIR, and is not in the tea party.

No one would remember DACA? There's over 700k people who have DACA. That number grows exponentially when you include their family members and friends who see the benefits of DACA. The "main stream media"(lol) would LOVE to see a Republican president or Republican Congress end DACA.. They would have headlines and stories for months about "innocent children being deported". They would have photos of a crying baby being grabbed away from their family. Oh and the Democrats would hop in it SOOOO fast it'll make your head spin.

The reason why Obama expanded DACA and implemented DAPA is for political reasons. He said so himself in not so many words. It was something a long the lines of "the more people that benefit from it the harder it will be to remove". Its the same argument made for social security, and the affordable care act. This whole "immigration" "issue", which is truly just bullshit if you think about it, is nothing more than a wedge issue used by Democrats to retain power.

Whether or not we like it, we're political pawns. However, since we're the pawns it'll be in our best interest to support those who give us benefits for their political gains. At least in that situation we get something out of it. However, don't think we're just political pawns for Democrats. Republicans use us as pawns too. Look at Donald Trump. The more vitriolic rhetoric towards immigrants, illegal or not, the greater political gain for Republicans among primary and midterm voters. Trump, as much of an unqualified and asinine candidate that he is, has LITTERALLY (Literal fucking ly) propelled himself to the TOP of the polls of Republican presidential candidates just by taking a few stabs "at those mexicans".

So I will double down on my argument that we can only pray and hope that we have an Obama 2.0. to use the immigration wedge issue to retain power. Since, as we all know, CIR is dead without a super majority of Democrats and a strong economy. Obama first initiated DACA to retain power. If he did not, and lost the election, how would the last 3 years of your life have been under self-deportation Romney?

Obama is playing the same game again with DAPA and extended DACA. I'm sure he knew of the possible lawsuits. I believe that's why the programs were set for implementation so early. Once the litigation bullshit goes through, the programs will roll out just in time for the 2016 election. Just like how DACA rolled out just in time for 2012. And if it doesn't go our way, the Democratic nominee can still say they will "do everything within their legal power....to ensure_____" .

But whatever, I digress.

wait doesnt Demise root for Ted cruz.....


or was that some other user here

Have you heard Jeb Bush's views on DACA recently? Well since throwing his hat fully into the presidential ring, he is now against it. While he admits we need real immigration change(so does Obama and everyone else in the America ), he isn't agreeing to extend DACA until a compromise is found in Congress. He has gone from saying he would extend DACA, to the opposite. I agree 100% about Ron Paul, because before he ran for president his track record was anti immigration, basically anti us. He can say what he needs to now to achieve the Latin vote but when the race is fully underway his record will come to haunt him.


Here are links you can see for yourself about Jeb Bush views on DACA

Initial he said he would expand the DACA program
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ts-joel-gehrke

Now Jeb Bush promises Republicans to repeal the DACA program
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/jeb-...ma-immigration

My only real concern now is Trump. I keep hearing his surge in polls, but according to polling sites, he's still a good way below Bush. While on the Dem side, Hillary is soaring above everyone else. With his recent bump, I do see a sliver of a chance of him taking the GOP nomination, but just a sliver. But no matter how small a chance, it's still a threat to us. So what are you guy's thoughts on his chances?

I put it at 0.01%. Seriously though, don't trust any polling this early. The GOP itself will never let him nab the nomination. Wait for the carousal to go all the way around and then you'll see the serious candidates.

Remember all the "for sures" from last time? They got erased efficiently when the time came. GOP the organization is not stupid. They plan things even to affect the 2020 elections.