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End of DACA 2016. If Republicans Win.

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Back in 2012, President Obama took executive action to create a program for unauthorized immigrants who entered the U.S. as children before June of 2007, and who are currently younger than 34.

That program has come to be known as DACA — Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals — and since it was instituted, it has temporarily protected almost 700,000 people from deportation.

How long the original DACA program lasts, though, will depend on who wins the 2016 presidential race. (There's also a lawsuit against an expansion Obama planned to make to the DACA program that has been appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.)

By now, almost all of the Republicans running to replace Obama have been asked how they would handle the program as the next president. And just about all of them — including Gov. Chris Christie, Donald Trump and Sen. Marco Rubio — have said they would get rid of DACA.

That's a scenario that immigrants like Valentina Garcia, a sophomore at Dartmouth College, are preparing for.

"I'm still trying to figure out if my major's going to work out, if my plan to go to medical school is going to work out. It all really depends on DACA," she says.

Garcia was 6 years old when she and her family left Uruguay by plane on tourist visas. After those expired, they stayed in the U.S. In 2014, Garcia received DACA — and with it, a Social Security number. A Georgia resident, she was also able to apply for a driver's license.

"We've moved about four times in the past two years, and I've been the one that's been looking for houses. I've been the one that's transferring the utilities," Garcia says. "I'm like the second dad, the second mom with my family."

Roberto Gonzales, a sociologist at Harvard University, has studied the lives of young immigrants without legal status. And according to his studies, Garcia is by no means the only one who has taken on more responsibility in the family since DACA.

"They're playing greater roles within their family, within their community. And so an elimination of DACA would have ripple effects that extend far beyond these individuals," Gonzales says. He notes that the temporary work permits they receive through DACA have allowed many to stop working under the table.

"These young people have taken giant steps towards the American Dream," he adds. "They now have new jobs. They're getting healthcare. They're building credit."

But they're not on the path to citizenship — and their long-term future in the U.S. is still a big question mark. The Obama administration has put DACA recipients at the bottom of its priority list for deportation, but Victor Nieblas of the American Immigration Lawyers Association says that could change under a new administration.

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"We have to be honest here," Nieblas says, "and we have to indicate that it really all depends on who wins the presidency and the immigration policies of this new president" — policies that could directly impact Jin Park, a 19-year-old Harvard student who was one of the first to receive DACA in 2012.

"Somebody can drag me out of my chemistry class at 10 a.m. and deport me," Park says. "That is a real possibility, and it's scary, you know."

Born in South Korea, Park was 7 when he took a plane to the U.S. with his parents. Like Garcia, Park and his family overstayed their tourist visas. Now, he says he's paying close attention to the presidential race — "All the debates, all the Republican debates, I really try to watch."

"For me, surviving as a single mother with a child — you know, a 3-year-old — I definitely have to start thinking about savings," says Antonia Rivera of Des Moines, Iowa, a 33-year-old mother who is also preparing for the possible end to DACA.

She walked across the border from Mexico illegally with her mother and younger sister when she was 6.

"I'm a survivor," Rivera says. "I know how to survive without any source of legal document that allows me to work and drive legally in this country. But I know it's really, really hard to do."

It's a challenge that more than a half-million DACA recipients may have to face when Obama leaves the White House.
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"but but but DACA is untouchable!! It just cannot be touch at all , PERIOD"
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DACA recipients are 100% safe if they don't commit even the smallest misdemeanor. Once they do that, they're not only subject to be deported but absolutely should be. DACA comes with the utmost responsibility but at the same time we can't let people start spreading BS that "Once you have DACA, you will be in the system and could be deported blah blah blah" This is a Dreamer forum. We should be helping newbies apply for DACA. It has changed countless lives. The proof is before you. In fact I know so many DAPers personally who are thriving right now because of DACA. We need to drill this down our heads once and for all. DACA recipients are LAWFULLY PRESENT whether anyone likes it or not. Why else do you think Republicans are furious especially with DAPA. Because these administrative powers Obama has used are so powerful they make something lawful when in fact there was no law passed!! Checks and balances is all it is.

IF YOU ARE A NEWBIE LOOKING TO APPLY FOR DACA, DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED FROM IT. YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY GO FOR IT. I AM GIVING YOU 100% ASSURANCE YOU WILL BE ABSOLUTELY SAFE. I HAVE THE DEEPEST CONNECTIONS WITH SOME OF THE BEST IMMIGRATION ATTORNEYS IN MY CIRCLE AND WOULD ATTEST TO THIS.
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"but but but DACA is untouchable!! It just cannot be touch at all , PERIOD"
They can, however DACA is a substantial regulation, meaning that they need to take 90 days to post another regulation that they are getting rid of it, do a public comment period (during which you can be sure we'd spam them to oblivion), and once that is through they can get rid of it.
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They can, however DACA is a substantial regulation, meaning that they need to take 90 days to post another regulation that they are getting rid of it, do a public comment period (during which you can be sure we'd spam them to oblivion), and once that is through they can get rid of it.
Well said and not only that, it's about common sense man! Why are we assuming the first thing Republicn president will do is "get rid of DACA"? Stop drinking the Kool Aid from these GOP nominees. They don't give a shit about you nor US citizens themselves. All they want is to become the nominee and hence they talk shit about "Moslems" and "illegals." I am way too smart personally to let someone like that scare me. It's so bad posters on here are starting to scare potential new DACA beneficiaries who are possibly lurking around for answers on this forum! Obama was suppose to enact CIR within his first 100 days (LOL) and just count how many non criminal immigrants he has deported. It's time to start doing our own thinking rather than let some self proclaimed "GOP" business man manipulate you just for his own benefit! Half of the posters on this forum who are posting these fear mongering messages about DACA are themselves DACA beneficiaries and taking advantage of its benefits while some poor young kid lurking here looking for real information is being scared to death about it! What a shame. I even saw one dude make an outrageous claim that "they" can use DACA information to come and deport you. Do you realize this could have a devastating effect on some innocent person who is sensitive about these things? This is the most pathetic and stupid title and article I have seen in my life. It's not even news and shouldn't be allowed to be posted here.
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It will be Hillary vs Trump. Hillary seems to be far ahead of all candidates so I expect her to win. I don't mind Bernie Sanders winning either,
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I'm under order of supervision by DHS. My officer said he'll get rid of it once I get approved. Since my country doesn't want me since I came as a child and don't have papers I figured to not apply for DACA initially because I felt like it wouldn't last too long. However after talking to my officer he said that even if DACA itself would get cancelled there are 2 most likely outcomes going to happen.

1. People who are approved going to be grandfathered in, and they will be renewing their applications.
2. There will be some sort of reform for people who have been granted DACA.

He said basically that deporting them will be hard, and would be next to impossible, especially if they are non criminals. Even if it does get cancelled he said it would be HIGHLY unlikely for them to do anything about it. Logical choice would be to either give them something or just keep renewing DACA.

There is a lot more to it but it's just a basic rundown of what he said.
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I'm under order of supervision by DHS. My officer said he'll get rid of it once I get approved. Since my country doesn't want me since I came as a child and don't have papers I figured to not apply for DACA initially because I felt like it wouldn't last too long. However after talking to my officer he said that even if DACA itself would get cancelled there are 2 most likely outcomes going to happen.

1. People who are approved going to be grandfathered in, and they will be renewing their applications.
2. There will be some sort of reform for people who have been granted DACA.

He said basically that deporting them will be hard, and would be next to impossible, especially if they are non criminals. Even if it does get cancelled he said it would be HIGHLY unlikely for them to do anything about it. Logical choice would be to either give them something or just keep renewing DACA.

There is a lot more to it but it's just a basic rundown of what he said.
So if the next president removes it then it means once you are approved, you can renew it unlimited times?

A reform? That has to be done from Congress right? Like CIR or Dream Act.
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So if the next president removes it then it means once you are approved, you can renew it unlimited times?

A reform? That has to be done from Congress right? Like CIR or Dream Act.
Well yes and no, they won't keep DACA forever. From research I've done, people I've talked to, including minor inside info here is what most likely to happen.

DACA will get cancelled that is for sure however.

1. In order for them to go after DACA recipients, it will be a very very intense legal process, that requires man power and money and time they don't have. To deport a person is a really complex process.
2. DACA is already in place, it is also not easy to strip privileges like that, yes people say president can just sign and get rid of it, but there is more to that then just signing a paper. Yes when a president signs it, you can no longer apply for it, but there are legal ramifications of leaving over half a million people without work and without food. Before I got approved for daca they were deporting me, but since they couldn't they legally can't leave me without work or any type of way to earn money for food, so they legally have to give me work permit. They also can't say well if you couldn't work and afford food why can't you leave, because a lot of us, can't legally leave the country. Therefore they have to put you through courts, which takes years, etc. imagine half a million of us going to courts at the same time? it will take 5-10 years for each case.

A. They just won't have time to deal with any of it. It would be easier to for now leave it as it is, as far as just keep extending it till they figure sh*t out. OR
B. If they do start cracking down on illegal immigration, since most of us are in the system with no criminal background etc, it would be easier for them to give us amnesty of some sort.
C. When if Trump or whoever decides to crack on immigration big time, that will have to go through congress, and there they must look at people like us. Next time immigration hits senate floor, it will be to crack down on immigration and give us relief at the same time, since this is how it's typically done.

If you look at the history of differed actions, actions like this almost always lead to legalization. Obviously president can't do it, but eventually this kind of stuff will make it to congress and most likely pass.

P.S. It's all guesses, nobody knows for sure, however if we look at what Trump/Republicans say, almost all of them said the same thing. Dreamers must be looked at, but also we must secure our borders at the same time. It will be unlikely for any of us to be deported as long as we stay out of trouble. The path to get our green cards is coming. DACA will go down, but not without us getting something else.
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Also, if President signs to remove DACA then wouldn't there be lawsuit like the one now for DACA expansion? That could halt it just like eDACA is in the court now.
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