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I'm betting on a legislative solution

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08-27-2017, 09:14 PM
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I think they'll be a legislative solution for DACA. Trump ending DACA and Dreamers being deported would probably be the worst case scenario for Republican leadership. I think there would be a PR nightmare and of course the alienation of the largest growing portion of the population.

Trump's immigration policies are already unpopular but a DACA debacle with 'kids through no choice of their own' get swept up in his policies will add a lot of fuel to the fire. Black Americans stopped voting for Republicans after Regan. I wonder if Hispanic Americans will stop voting Republican after Trump. He's doing a great job damaging the Republican brand for future generations and I think congressional republicans will try the mitigate the damage.

It's all speculation but I have a lot more faith and believe in a favorable solution for us than a negative one.

Just my two cents.
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08-27-2017, 09:18 PM
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I agree something will be done, but the biggest hurdle is the veto. A stand alone bill will not pass and even if it does Trump already said he would veto it. It's going to have to be tied to something he needs to pass, the most obvious thing being the wall. I'm not sure how the Democrats will play that. Right now they are saying they're not willing to compromise on Dreamers, but who knows what's going on behind closed doors? There's been reports that there's several factions all trying to get their agenda passed.
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08-27-2017, 09:19 PM
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Lmfao they couldn't even get the obamacare repeal done after several tries with a republican controlled government....
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08-27-2017, 09:28 PM
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Lmfao they couldn't even get the obamacare repeal done after several tries with a republican controlled government....
They couldn't even pass the DREAM Act in the perfect conditions back in 2010 under a Democratic administration nor could they pass an immigration reform back in 2007 when Bush was on board with it.
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08-27-2017, 09:29 PM
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I think they'll be a legislative solution for DACA. Trump ending DACA and Dreamers being deported would probably be the worst case scenario for Republican leadership. I think there would be a PR nightmare and of course the alienation of the largest growing portion of the population.

Trump's immigration policies are already unpopular but a DACA debacle with 'kids through no choice of their own' get swept up in his policies will add a lot of fuel to the fire. Black Americans stopped voting for Republicans after Regan. I wonder if Hispanic Americans will stop voting Republican after Trump. He's doing a great job damaging the Republican brand for future generations and I think congressional republicans will try the mitigate the damage.

It's all speculation but I have a lot more faith and believe in a favorable solution for us than a negative one.

Just my two cents.
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Lmfao they couldn't even get the obamacare repeal done after several tries with a republican controlled government....
Obamacare repeal, while makes a great campaign slogan, would've hurt millions of US Citizens. That's the reason why they didn't repeal it. You're talking about taking away the Medicare expansion. That's not an easy thing to do and that's why it wasn't done.
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08-27-2017, 09:34 PM
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They couldn't even pass the DREAM Act in the perfect conditions back in 2010 under a Democratic administration nor could they pass an immigration reform back in 2007 when Bush was on board with it.
PERFECT CONDITIONS IN 2010????? The US was losing MILLIONS OF JOBS in one of the deepest recessions in history and you think the solution was to add more eligible workers to labor market????? LMAOOOOOOOOOO. Whaaaat??



Also immigration reform in 2007 required 12 million, not 800k who've already "come out of the shadows"
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the difference is that with DACA being in effect for 5 years has created the urgency not to let it die.

also, CIR w/DREAM ACT passed in 2013 with 68-24 vote in the Senate. House republicans just didnt want it to put it on the floor for a vote (which wouldve passed) because they didnt want Obama to get a win on immigration.
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08-27-2017, 10:00 PM
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I've had a feeling this whole time that Trump's "heart' towards us, is really this plan of essentially holding us "hostage" from the Democrats and making them look like the bad guys if they don't try to save us or compromise.

Remember the articles and the town hall back in February, where Trump and Paul Ryan wanted a way or something for us to get right with the law? I've had a gut feeling that this was all was the grand scheme all along.
I think he'll cancel DACA, grandfather the current recipients, and then force the Democrats to give him something he wants in exchange for us. I think the Dems will eventually give in and compromise, but it'll be turbulent in the mean time.

Regardless of what happens next week, if they cancel DACA (and not in our favor), the fight won't be over. We still have the bills and congress will be back in session, and we'll see if something can and will be done.
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08-27-2017, 10:07 PM
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the difference is that with DACA being in effect for 5 years has created the urgency not to let it die.

also, CIR w/DREAM ACT passed in 2013 with 68-24 vote in the Senate. House republicans just didnt want it to put it on the floor for a vote (which wouldve passed) because they didnt want Obama to get a win on immigration.
Lets hope the Democrats allow Trump to win on immigration for the sake of the dreamers.
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08-27-2017, 10:52 PM
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Trump not pulling the plug on DACA has everything to do with how he can use it as a political tool against the Democrats. OP, if Trump cared about "the alienation of the largest growing portion of the population" he would not have doubled down on building the wall across the Mexican border. He ran his entire campaign on it. That should have been political suicide but he did better than expected with Latinos at the election. That's a fact. The onnly thing Trump cares about is appeasing his red necked, racist constituents. If Trump keeps DACA it's because he has an agenda but since he's an egomaniac that can that can easily fall by the wayside for something as simple as him having gas.
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