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RNC Chairman Michael Steele and immigration

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02-02-2009, 01:55 AM
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This is ridiculous. I cant believe this is the guy they picked. do the republicans have a death wish on their party????

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WALLACE: ... the Republicans, if you look at the last election, are a minority party.

Let's talk about how you reach out to some of the groups that may feel alienated from the Republican Party. In November, John McCain got 31 percent of the Hispanic vote. Four years ago, President Bush did 13 points better.

Does the GOP need to change its position on immigration reform, guest workers, path to citizenship, to reach out and say to Hispanics, "You have a home in the Republican Party?"

STEELE: No. Well, I think the GOP's position on immigration is very much the position of many, many Hispanics who are in this country.

WALLACE: Well, wait a minute.

STEELE: Well, hold up. Hold up.

WALLACE: Wait. Is the GOP position the position of George Bush and John McCain, which is for immigration reform, or...

STEELE: The GOP...

WALLACE: ... or is it the position that was build the fence?

STEELE: The GOP's position is secure our borders first. Let us know and let us make sure the American people know that we've taken care of the important business of dealing with illegal immigration into this country.

You cannot begin to address the concerns of the people who are already here unless and until you have made certain that no more are coming in behind them.

WALLACE: So no change in the position of the party.

STEELE: No change in the position on the party on that.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486395,00.html

BTW here's some more info on this stooge:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1...342/342/691220
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02-02-2009, 01:57 AM
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call me a pessimist but if we are gonna pass dream this year, we'll have to pass it without the GOP votes. I don't really see a significant number of them coming over to us just to improve their image. They keep talking about how they need to change direction, blah blah blah crap. They won't do it, they will just stay as the white angry men party till democrats fail.
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How nice of the GOP to have a black guy head the party. the did a great job he fit all the change criteria ethnic & extreme right wing
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It's the same as the Sarah Palin move: she has ovaries and a vagina, women will vote for her regardless of her anti-woman positions!!!

Now it's: he's black guy, minorities will support us regardless of our anti-minority positions!!!

You can tell he hesitated and the reporter was surprised, oh well...I guess they really want to help the Democratic party gain more seats, they might even be helping third-party candidates.
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02-02-2009, 03:35 AM
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There are cases where GOP members of congress vote out party lines. For instance, McCain, Hutchinson, etc all of the 8 republicans that voted for dream in 07.

I think it was eight GOP votes.
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02-02-2009, 11:15 AM
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Michael Steele is a slightly more moderate compared to many republicans. The whole picking him because he is an African American is just a coincidence. He was a leading candidate from the start. He just happened to be the most moderate out of the favorite bunch, kind of sad, so overall they went with him. Being African American was just a plus. This alone wont attract minorities.

Also, about his statement on Fox. Well, he was on FOX. Why are we surprised? Do you think he wants hate mail, and death threats from hardcore conservatives when he just started? He is basically saying what McCain said.

Finally, passing the DA without republican support is just stupid; it isn't even possible. We need some of their support. Remember that Orrin Hatch, a Republican, use to be the chief sponsor of the bill. There are good republicans. Don't let the anti-immigrant fringe of the party get to you. I mean it is FOX news. Nobody takes that seriously.
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Also, about his statement on Fox. Well, he was on FOX. Why are we surprised? Do you think he wants hate mail, and death threats from hardcore conservatives when he just started? He is basically saying what McCain said.
Exactly. The rhetoric remains unchanged. Saying "we won't act on reform until the borders are secured" is so nebulous -- what will they consider "secured?" By hedging, it gives them the appearance that they might support reform but only after they "secure the borders," which we all know is tantamount to finding a unicorn.

Overall, I think Steele was a good tactical choice for the GOP. He isn't a right-wing extremist and he's a fresh face (he's relatively young -- only 3 years older than President Obama).
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I agree with questionsihave to some degree... I don't support republicans, but not all of them suck, just most. The person who brought up the original dream act bill to the senate was a republican, so technically you cant say they are all against Immigration reform. I honestly think that they're just misinformed and/or hold a misconceptionate(I know its not a word, but it should be!) view of the situation; And Yes I mean the senators and congressmen not the republican voters who ARE obviously misinformed. I also think that with a black leader in the RNC maybe the "white angry men" crowd will get used to having other colors walking around a little more, rather than blame the democrats for voting in a black president.

p.s. It is possible to pass the Dream without any republican votes. Will it happen? No because some republicans want the Dream to pass, so they'll vote for it. Just the same as some democrats don't want it to pass and will without a doubt vote against it.
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Michael Steele is a slightly more moderate compared to many republicans. The whole picking him because he is an African American is just a coincidence. He was a leading candidate from the start. He just happened to be the most moderate out of the favorite bunch, kind of sad, so overall they went with him. Being African American was just a plus. This alone wont attract minorities.

Also, about his statement on Fox. Well, he was on FOX. Why are we surprised? Do you think he wants hate mail, and death threats from hardcore conservatives when he just started? He is basically saying what McCain said.

Finally, passing the DA without republican support is just stupid; it isn't even possible. We need some of their support. Remember that Orrin Hatch, a Republican, use to be the chief sponsor of the bill. There are good republicans. Don't let the anti-immigrant fringe of the party get to you. I mean it is FOX news. Nobody takes that seriously.
Steele has a ton of articles on townhall opposing CIR and "amnesty. He really believes what he said on fox. I am also hundred percent positive that they wouldn't have picked him had Obama not won the presidency.
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The southern Democrats refused to see the writing on the wall until the 1960s (then they flipped Republican). They knew that the northern branch of the party (and those silly things like civil rights and obeying the Constitution) all were on the ascendant and they were losing their relevance, but these beliefs die hard. To me, it's a matter of the need for solid moderate/liberal Republican leadership on immigration to get DREAM, CIR etc. into law AND to save their party from irrelevance and ridicule in the eyes of most Americans.

In other words, Steele was an awful choice. This "fresh" approach is bunk, and most people will realize that if they don't already.
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