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Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA

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Originally Posted by mcraig (Post 191554)

Politically speaking the Republicans are the only ones that have done anything towards immigration reform. Reagan, McCain. Reagan legalized immigrants and McCain bill was the closest you have come to getting something done he even had the agreement of GWB to sign the legislation. Factually speaking your are completely incorrect. Republican freed slaves, passed Civil rights bill on and on and on . And some how partisans think the democrats have been the ones to something for them. When you are sold a bad bill of goods for your vote like Gutierrez,Obama, Reid , Durbin do realize you are getting screwed and ask for your vote back.

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Originally Posted by Ali (Post 191570)

Since the 60's? They passed the '86 amnesty...in 'o7 bush pushed for dream.... they're currently pushing for Agjobs, and if I'm not mistaken STEM is their bill?

Yes, since the 1960s they have deliberately tried to win votes in the South among whites by stoking latent racism. Bush may have pushed DREAM, but where is Republican support now? I know Republicans claim to support Agjobs, but it will go nowhere like the DREAM Act as soon as the racist phalanx within the Republican party start shouting about amnesty. The biggest opponent now of DREAM is Jeff Sessions, a KKK sympathizer and the living incarnation of the devil. ALIPAC is bragging that if they win on DREAM now, immigration reform will be dead for five or ten years.

Passing an amnesty in 1986, or having pushed for immigration reform in 2006/2007 means nothing right now, because Republicans deliberately stoke fear of Mexicans to win votes, as I mentioned in my original post. Come down to Georgia during the next election if you want to see that process play out. The campaign to win over the lowest common denominator, and they are successful.

Even Bush is guilty in this case: he deliberately sabotaged McCain's primary campaign in 2000 in the South, by making it sound as though McCain had produced an illegitimate child with a Black woman. I would call that pandering to racism in the South after the 1960s, but that is just me.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA

Why won't you learn that this isn't your daddy's GOP? The GOP is slowly moving further to the right every election, the Teabaggers have them by their balls.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA

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Originally Posted by IDim (Post 191630)

Why won't you learn that this isn't your daddy's GOP? The GOP is slowly moving further to the right every election, the Teabaggers have them by their balls.

Man if The dems had balls DA would've passed when they had 60.

The GOP and DEMS both suck.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA

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Originally Posted by hgr1915 (Post 191633)

Man if The dems had balls DA would've passed when they had 60.

The GOP and DEMS both suck.

And that my friends is the unbiased truth.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA

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Originally Posted by hgr1915 (Post 191633)

Man if The dems had balls DA would've passed when they had 60.

The GOP and DEMS both suck.

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Originally Posted by Ali (Post 191637)

And that my friends is the unbiased truth.

+1 on that.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA

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Originally Posted by mcraig (Post 191601)

Reagan made all illegal immigrants American citizens (4 million) in 1986 that is why people are against any reforms now because what happened was mass of illegals came across the border thinking the would do it again. John Mccain had the president making calls to get immigration reform passed and they had the votes at one point. You should be asking what have Democrats done for your cause. I will tell you exactly what they have done they have lied to you about everything under the sun and got you to vote for them now all the do is go through motions knowing reform is impossible for any foreseeable future. Here is a good story on it
www.miaminewtimes.com

That's a little exaggerated, don't you think? Reagan's amnesty did not grant anybody immediate citizenship--far from it, anybody who got papers under that measure gained residency.

I don't doubt that the Democrats have a lackluster record on immigration reform; I and many others here have complained of their lack of action repeatedly. I also think that Obama's record-setting deportation numbers are troubling. But much of the bad--like the mass deportations--stem from Democrats' stupid attempts to conciliate the Republicans and meet them half way on fairy-tale criticisms like "securing the border" and other harsh measures that the Republican base likes immensely.

But if you are really concerned about advocacy to get the DREAM Act passed--and I am sure you are, and that you are not a troll, right?--then you would have to conclude that Republicans are not friends of the people on this portal. I would be the first to welcome any Republican support to pass DREAM or any other version of immigration reform, short of an enforcement-only approach. But if Republicans are really our friends, then where have they been since 2007? And explain to me how McCain--of all people!--is our friend when he himself exploited the xenophobia of this country right now to win reelection (going so far as to support Jan Brewer, who might as well just run for Grand Wizard during the next election and dispense with all the pretenses).

Like I said in my original post, what happened before 2007 doesn't matter to the politics of getting immigration reform passed now. And despite their many flaws, the Democrats are clearly lesser of two evils on immigration reform.