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Swim19 10-03-2017 01:06 PM

GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Not surprising, but still disappointing:

https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/sta...58167541542913
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NEWS: GOP lawmakers persuaded Trump to tack right on DACA deal/ throw out Dem framework. @seungminkim & @burgessev
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One new requirement, according to one senator who attended: Congress needs to pass a bill that addresses solely the current population of DACA recipients, rather than a broader circle of young undocumented immigrants.

“The president was very clear. Any effort to codify DACA needs to, one, be limited to DACA so the first criteria under the law should be you have a DACA permit today,” Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) said in an interview Tuesday. “Second, any deal has to end chain migration. And then third, it ought to include some kind of enhanced measures, whether it’s on the border or interior enforcement or what have you.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/1...blicans-243410

JJ Glo 10-03-2017 01:07 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Border Security
No sponsorship
E-verify

The three things needed in order to pass the Dream Act.

Chn 10-03-2017 01:09 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Getting around the age issue without actually setting an age cap...

JJ Glo 10-03-2017 01:13 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
That would suck for aged out dreamers, makes no sense that they be excluded.

JohannBernoulli1667 10-03-2017 01:14 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Bad news...

bad.bunny 10-03-2017 01:16 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
this is also going to affect the dreamers who expired and have a pending application

Got_Daca 10-03-2017 01:16 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Good. Getting closer and closer to the deal!

Got_Daca 10-03-2017 01:17 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Current Dacaers, dont fuck up your golden chance by crapping on this deal

JJ Glo 10-03-2017 01:19 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by bad.bunny (Post 644997)
this is also going to affect the dreamers who expired and have a pending application

I doubt it. Anyone who has/had DACA would be included.

isk84life 10-03-2017 01:20 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 644988)
Border Security
No sponsorship
E-verify

The three things needed in order to pass the Dream Act.

Border security, and no sponsorship is fine. E-verify would solve the immigration dilemma by itself. It is just too valuable for a just legalizing 800k people.

JohannBernoulli1667 10-03-2017 01:22 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
E verify should come with 11 million. E verify sucks by the way. Just as that stupid save system.

What sucks is that now they won't include anyone else. What about younger kids who couldn't apply due to age?

I won't feel bad for those of age who decided not to apply. They are not dreamers, if they were they would have applied. Unless they had financial hardships.

bad.bunny 10-03-2017 01:22 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 645000)
Current Dacaers, dont fuck up your golden chance by crapping on this deal

i dont think democrats are willing to compromise e-verify and all of these super tough enforcements which would put a number of the undocumented population at risk just to legalize 800k dreamers.

VJB2 10-03-2017 01:23 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by bad.bunny (Post 644997)
this is also going to affect the dreamers who expired and have a pending application

You know this for a fact?

That’s not what others understood, including me.

Dres2011 10-03-2017 01:25 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 645005)
E verify should come with 11 million. E verify sucks by the way. Just as that stupid save system.

What sucks is that now they won't include anyone else. What about younger kids who couldn't apply due to age?

I won't feel bad for those of age who decided not to apply. They are not dreamers, if they were they would have applied. Unless they had financial hardships.

succeed act allows coming of age dreamers to apply.

Got_Daca 10-03-2017 01:27 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 645003)
Border security, and no sponsorship is fine. E-verify would solve the immigration dilemma by itself. It is just too valuable for a just legalizing 800k people.

we all knew it would not be easy

everify or no daca, no future

your choice

Got_Daca 10-03-2017 01:28 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bad.bunny (Post 645006)
i dont think democrats are willing to compromise e-verify and all of these super tough enforcements which would put a number of the undocumented population at risk just to legalize 800k dreamers.

you dont care as you dont have daca

bad.bunny 10-03-2017 01:28 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 645009)
we all knew it would not be easy

everify or no daca, no future

your choice

its not a choice you make. it's the choice of the Democrats and Congress, stupid.

JJ Glo 10-03-2017 01:28 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 645009)
we all knew it would not be easy

everify or no daca, no future

your choice

You must not have parents who are undocumented and small siblings that rely on them. E-verify would make them unable to work. E-verify won't affect us, but it will affect a large number of undocumented immigrants.

Got_Daca 10-03-2017 01:29 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by bad.bunny (Post 645013)
its not a choice you make. it's the choice of the Democrats and Congress, idiot.

i only interact with dacaers on dap

so bye

bad.bunny 10-03-2017 01:30 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 645015)
i only interact with dacaers on dap

so bye

Nice way of avoiding the argument! This strategy will surely benefit you in the future.

Got_Daca 10-03-2017 01:31 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 645014)
You must not have parents who are undocumented and small siblings that rely on them. E-verify would make them unable to work. E-verify won't affect us, but it will affect a large number of undocumented immigrants.

fight for cir later when we are legalized

imagine 800k more dem voters

they will be taken care of!

Swim19 10-03-2017 01:33 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 645018)
fight for cir later when we are legalized

imagine 800k more dem voters

they will be taken care of!

How are people supposed to live if they can't work? E-verify must be done with CIR.

Sorrybrah 10-03-2017 01:33 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Terrible news

JJ Glo 10-03-2017 01:35 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 645018)
fight for cir later when we are legalized

imagine 800k more dem voters

they will be taken care of!

CIR would never come. Do you see how difficult it is for Congress to work just on legalizing Dreamers, we are the "best, most qualified" of the undocumented community and even we aren't secure. Republicans would get border security, no sponsorship and if they get e-everify, they would have ZERO incentive for passing CIR.

800K Dreamers would get legalized in exchange for 11 million undocumented.

Got_Daca 10-03-2017 01:35 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 645020)
How are people supposed to live if they can't work? E-verify must be done with CIR.

realistically it would take years for everify to be fully functional

most biz will be allowed to opt out

need to see details

2MoreYears 10-03-2017 01:35 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 644996)
Bad news...

For some only unfortunately.

bad.bunny 10-03-2017 01:38 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
you guys seem to be extremely misinformed if you really think Democrats will agree to e verify for only 800k of the 11 million undocumented population. they would lose a very good political leverage by agreeing to this

Sunnyerick 10-03-2017 01:41 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by bad.bunny (Post 644997)
this is also going to affect the dreamers who expired and have a pending application

What do you mean by that?

2MoreYears 10-03-2017 01:41 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by bad.bunny (Post 645027)
you guys seem to be extremely misinformed if you really think Democrats will agree to e verify for only 800k of the 11 million undocumented population. they would lose a very good political leverage by agreeing to this

Nobody knows really, and that includes you.

eva02 10-03-2017 01:42 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Like i have been saying, this is all political show.

The Dems have leverage for the DA to pass in December.

BeeHive 10-03-2017 01:49 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
I love how people would rather be illegal than be one of the few who become a PR.

*Clap* Clap* for you.

jaylove16 10-03-2017 01:50 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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We’re consulting with the White House, but we are an independent branch and we’re trying to come up with ideas that we think would be acceptable that Democrats and Republicans would fix it.”
Again , you guys are freaking out . The White House won’t get everything they want out of any potential deal. Dems and republicans won’t either . So let’s keep on advocating and see what we get .

JJ Glo 10-03-2017 01:52 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 645037)
I love how people would rather be illegal than be one of the few who become a PR.

*Clap* Clap* for you.

I don't think anyone here would rather be illegal, but we aren't eager to push for something like e-verify that would destroy and disrupt many in the undocumented community including many of our family member's lives. Not all of us are eager to grab at the first opportunity we get in order to get legalized in exchange for stepping on the rest of the community.

jaylove16 10-03-2017 01:57 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Trump needs a legislative win. He will sign any bill that passes congress.

Think about it folks, any dreamer bill that passes congress will be conservative.

Jsonkim88 10-03-2017 01:58 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
At least we know, we are getting something :)

BeeHive 10-03-2017 02:00 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 645039)
I don't think anyone here would rather be illegal, but we aren't eager to push for something like e-verify that would destroy and disrupt many in the undocumented community including many of our family member's lives. Not all of us are eager to grab at the first opportunity we get in order to get legalized in exchange for stepping on the rest of the community.

But these people need to draw a line.

I understand not being good with the SUCCEED ACT, but comon attacking the DREAM ACT is a bit too much IMO.

JohannBernoulli1667 10-03-2017 02:06 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
So what happened, when will the bill come down to the floor?

spolem 10-03-2017 02:08 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
Aged out DREAMers fought for what is now DACA. Is not fair to them to pass a bill that only includes current DACA holders. What about expired DREAMers due to USCIS fault, younger DREAMers or DREAMers that for any reason were not able to renew.

jaylove16 10-03-2017 02:13 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by spolem (Post 645046)
Aged out DREAMers fought for what is now DACA. Is not fair to them to pass a bill that only includes current DACA holders. What about expired DREAMers due to USCIS fault, younger DREAMers or DREAMers that for any reason were not able to renew.

Guys why are you people all up in arms? Trump doesn’t dictate the contents of a bill. Any bill will be favorable to us dreamers and not only DACA holders .

bigdreamer2010 10-03-2017 02:14 PM

Re: GOP lawmakers say Trump wants tough measures in Dreamers deal
 
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Originally Posted by spolem (Post 645046)
Aged out DREAMers fought for what is now DACA. Is not fair to them to pass a bill that only includes current DACA holders. What about expired DREAMers due to USCIS fault, younger DREAMers or DREAMers that for any reason were not able to renew.

True true true


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