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ECW 06-24-2019 08:49 AM

Supreme Court DACA watch
 
Hello peeps,

It's decision day at the Supreme Court and the finally week of their term, we could hear word about the future of DACA at any moment.

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Good morning from the Supreme Court, where it’s Decision Week. At 9:30 alone, we could get news on DACA, steel tariffs and abortion. Then opinions at 10, possibly featuring census and/or gerrymandering rulings.

https://twitter.com/GregStohr/status...21770339344384

jwxie518 06-24-2019 09:30 AM

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Get this over with. These people.

DreamerSD23 06-24-2019 09:32 AM

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Just on SCOTUSBlog:

"We have new grants, but we do not appear to have anything on DACA." - Amy Howe

DACA case not slated for next term.

Red neck 06-24-2019 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DreamerSD23 (Post 738089)
Just on SCOTUSBlog:

"We have new grants, but we do not appear to have anything on DACA." - Amy Howe

DACA case not slated for next term.



They can still add more days.
Also they can take up cases in september

JohannBernoulli1667 06-24-2019 09:38 AM

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Obviously they won't have shit.

Red neck 06-24-2019 09:41 AM

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The court will issue one last list of orders this week after all the opinions are out. One would think they'll deal with DACA then.

ECW 06-24-2019 09:46 AM

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This is so fucking painful, just make a decision already.

Red neck 06-24-2019 09:49 AM

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Next day we could get action on DACA & Alabama abortion case would be on the orders list the court puts out the day after its final rulings of the term, which will probably be on Thursday or Friday

freshh. 06-24-2019 09:58 AM

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More Twitter Updates:

@TheToddSchulte
No DACA news today from the Supreme Court, but they have until this Friday to make news on if they will hear the case on the unlawful attempt to terminate DACA.


@JuanSaaa
NEWS FROM #SCOTUS REGARDING #DACA:

• SCOTUS has granted several reviews but NOTHING on DACA

• This means that the case is punted to the fall/goes into deep freeze for the time being

HOWEVER

• SCOTUS conferences a day after it grants opinions, so we’re not out of the woods

Red neck 06-24-2019 10:22 AM

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Supreme Court handed down four cases, leaving eight remaining for the rest of the week. That includes partisan gerrymandering and citizenship question on census. Might also decide this week whether to take DACA case and Alabama abortion case.

7:20 AM - 24 Jun 2019

Red neck 06-24-2019 10:36 AM

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NEW: Supreme Court will issue more opinions on Wednesday.

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Wednesday will not be the last opinion day -- that should be either Thurs or Fri. Census, partisan gerrymandering, regulatory agency deference still pending. And then we'll get one more orders list, possibly with DACA and abortion cases.


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The next #SCOTUS opinions=Wed 6/26 @ 10am ET. We could get opinions then on the Census & gerrymandering. We'll get another order list, which may have something on the #DACA cases the day after the last opinions. But we don't know if the last opinions will be Wed or Thurs yet. /3

Red neck 06-24-2019 11:09 AM

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vft1008 06-24-2019 12:09 PM

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For clarification, this is not going to be a decision or ruling on DACA, it will be just a declaration of intent that they agree to hear the case and when?

Outsider626 06-24-2019 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 738101)
For clarification, this is not going to be a decision or ruling on DACA, it will be just a declaration of intent that they agree to hear the case and when?

Si amigo

Copper 06-24-2019 01:35 PM

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I don’t see why they would take up DACA. I feel like they should of taken it already. For them to keep pushing it back could be a good sign that they might pass until after the elections.

Outsider626 06-24-2019 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper (Post 738103)
I don’t see why they would take up DACA. I feel like they should of taken it already. For them to keep pushing it back could be a good sign that they might pass until after the elections.

Yeah they not gonna take it.

unrealunknown92 06-24-2019 01:58 PM

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If there were to take up the DACA case, would DACA still keep going until they issue a ruling?

Outsider626 06-24-2019 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by unrealunknown92 (Post 738107)
If there were to take up the DACA case, would DACA still keep going until they issue a ruling?

Si senior.

DreamerSD23 06-24-2019 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by unrealunknown92 (Post 738107)
If there were to take up the DACA case, would DACA still keep going until they issue a ruling?

That is not a guarantee, they can issue a Grant, Vacate and Remand order that will place on hold the lower court's ruling until the issue is resolved.

Red neck 06-24-2019 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper (Post 738103)
I don’t see why they would take up DACA. I feel like they should of taken it already. For them to keep pushing it back could be a good sign that they might pass until after the elections.

Remember Hanen will most likely rule in July.


Good read on DACA vs Hanen
https://twitter.com/Baba9773/status/1142629396316086272

jwxie518 06-24-2019 02:45 PM

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These Justices. SMH.

Outsider626 06-24-2019 03:29 PM

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https://abovethelaw.com/wp-content/u...en-300x181.jpg

Rathination 06-24-2019 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Red neck (Post 738113)
Remember Hanen will most likely rule in July.


Good read on DACA vs Hanen
https://twitter.com/Baba9773/status/1142629396316086272

That dude is so anti-DACA it's painful. Use sources, sure, but don't pick someone that is going out of his way to kill DACA.

Red neck 06-24-2019 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rathination (Post 738119)
That dude is so anti-DACA it's painful. Use sources, sure, but don't pick someone that is going out of his way to kill DACA.

You cant just see it from one perspective. Keep your enemies closer

cmeow 06-24-2019 04:59 PM

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That twitter thread sounds about right. Hanen and the supreme court both can kill DACA. At best, DACA is on it's last legs.

Rathination 06-24-2019 05:06 PM

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DACA's been on it's last legs for well over a year now. If anything, Hanen's lack of an injunction last year just shows us how little we actually know about any of this. Yes, he could order the program unconstitutional, but doing so would throw the legal system into utter chaos because of the conflicting injunctions. He was reluctant to do so last time.

But you guys are right - stay aware and stay vigilant. Renew if you can.

legendver2 06-24-2019 05:09 PM

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And ppl keep saying the July 8 decision won't matter because of the other conflicting rulings. I keep bringing up the difference in the cases but no one ever seems to respond to it.

legendver2 06-24-2019 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rathination (Post 738125)
DACA's been on it's last legs for well over a year now. If anything, Hanen's lack of an injunction last year just shows us how little we actually know about any of this. Yes, he could order the program unconstitutional, but doing so would throw the legal system into utter chaos because of the conflicting injunctions. He was reluctant to do so last time.

But you guys are right - stay aware and stay vigilant. Renew if you can.

Are they really conflicting injunctions though? The other rulings state it was illegal for Trump to end it the way he did, but this case states that the program was illegal since the beginning. Two totally different approaches, and it feels like Hanen's case would supersede those since it affects the programs conception from the start.

DACAgogue 06-24-2019 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by legendver2 (Post 738128)
Are they really conflicting injunctions though? The other rulings state it was illegal for Trump to end it the way he did, but this case states that the program was illegal since the beginning. Two totally different approaches, and it feels like Hanen's case would supersede those since it affects the programs conception from the start.

Someone also said that because circuit courts have ruled, they would supercede Hanens court. Not sure how Right that is. But we might have to look forward to

cmeow 06-24-2019 05:13 PM

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Conflicting appeal court rulings just makes the issue go to the supreme court, it doesn't throw the court system into chaos.

If they want SC to decide, then Hanen needs to rule against it as that has a higher chance of SC taking up the issue.

The problem is when Hanen rules, does he want to terminate all DACA immediately, allow one renewal, allow everyone to expire at the same date, or something else? Will the SC then stop Hanen if he goes the extreme route?

Rathination 06-24-2019 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by legendver2 (Post 738128)
Are they really conflicting injunctions though? The other rulings state it was illegal for Trump to end it the way he did, but this case states that the program was illegal since the beginning. Two totally different approaches, and it feels like Hanen's case would supersede those since it affects the programs conception from the start.

I'm not a legal expert, I don't know what would happen. But from what I understand one court is ordering them to continue renewals while another says not to. Hanen's case does go for the issue of constitutionality, sure, but the fact that the two injunctions differ on what to do with DACA means that IF Hanen rules the program unconstitutional, the Supreme Court will have to deal with the mess.

From what I've seen, there never have been conflicting national injunctions. But you're right, Hanen is dealing with a completely different case.

Outsider626 06-24-2019 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cmeow (Post 738130)
Conflicting appeal court rulings just makes the issue go to the supreme court, it doesn't throw the court system into chaos.

If they want SC to decide, then Hanen needs to rule against it as that has a higher chance of SC taking up the issue.

The problem is when Hanen rules, does he want to terminate all DACA immediately, allow one renewal, allow everyone to expire at the same date, or something else? Will the SC then stop Hanen if he goes the extreme route?

They will let it expire because we paid for it and it will cause a lot of chaos. So it's smart to renew right now 1 more time if you have less than a year remaining.

legendver2 06-24-2019 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Outsider626 (Post 738132)
They will let it expire because we paid for it and it will cause a lot of chaos. So it's smart to renew right now 1 more time if you have less than a year remaining.

I expire April and sent mine 2 weeks ago, with the case accepted last week. Let's hope this get's processed in time.

Copper 06-24-2019 05:31 PM

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People forget that Hanen didn’t rule againts DAPA because it was unconstitutional, he ruled against it because of the Administrative Procedure Act.

The Obama administration didn’t follow the APA when enacting DAPA that’s why Hanen ruled against it.

Ironically it was the same APA rule that brought back DACA after the Trump administration ended it. So it will be interesting on how he rules on DACA.

legendver2 06-24-2019 05:51 PM

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Will there be appeals from other courts to counter Hanen's decision?

Pianoswithoutfaith 06-24-2019 06:03 PM

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I am confused as hell. If hanen rules against it, wouldn’t it just apply to his district?

legendver2 06-24-2019 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 738138)
I am confused as hell. If hanen rules against it, wouldn’t it just apply to his district?

Lol we wish

Copper 06-24-2019 06:26 PM

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If Hanen rules against DACA, nothing changes because his decision would throw the country into a bizarre legal scenario.

Judges in California, New York, and Washington, D.C., have declared it illegal to end DACA.

This is were the Supreme Court would step in. That’s why these next few weeks are crucial to see if the Supreme Court does decide to take the case or not.

fl_dreamer 06-24-2019 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper (Post 738140)
If Hanen rules against DACA, nothing changes because his decision would throw the country into a bizarre legal scenario.

Judges in California, New York, and Washington, D.C., have declared it illegal to end DACA.

This is were the Supreme Court would step in. That’s why these next few weeks are crucial to see if the Supreme Court does decide to take the case or not.

Isn't it better for us if SC doesn't hear the case? Buys us more time...

bigdreamer2010 06-24-2019 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper (Post 738134)
People forget that Hanen didn’t rule againts DAPA because it was unconstitutional, he ruled against it because of the Administrative Procedure Act.

The Obama administration didn’t follow the APA when enacting DAPA that’s why Hanen ruled against it.

Ironically it was the same APA rule that brought back DACA after the Trump administration ended it. So it will be interesting on how he rules on DACA.

Yeah. I don’t believe Obama intended DAPA to go into effect. Additionally Trump purposely violated the APA knowing that it’ll be challenged in court. Trump violated the APA with respect to DACa to buy some time. Otherwise he would’ve followed the rules like he has with every other immigration policy he’s made


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