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Swim19 03-07-2021 06:18 PM
Joe Manchin opens the door to filibuster reform
 
If this change was made, it could help immigration reform be passed:


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On Sunday, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), a longtime defender of the filibuster, signaled that he might nevertheless be open to filibuster reforms that could make it easier for Democrats to advance their legislative agenda.
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That may not sound like a big deal, but it is: As Politico reporter Andrew Desiderio pointed out on Twitter Sunday, what Manchin appears to be describing is a throwback to the “talking filibuster,” which would likely pose a much more surmountable obstacle to the narrow Democratic Senate majority.
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As Desiderio explained, under a “talking filibuster,” any “member of the minority party can filibuster as long as he/she stays put on the floor.” But once a member finishes speaking, the filibuster would end, and “there’d be a vote at a simple majority threshold” of 50 votes, instead of the existing 60-vote threshold required to end a filibuster.

That’s a big change, because there’s currently no actual filibustering required to filibuster in the Senate, at least not in the conventional sense. As Vox explained back in 2015, the modern filibuster doesn’t require a senator talking on the floor for hours on end to delay a bill.

Instead, today’s filibuster is a straightforward move to reject unanimous consent on a bill that the minority can wield painlessly: According to former Vox writer Ezra Klein, “Today’s filibusters simply paralyze the Senate until the majority either finds 60 votes to proceed or gives up and moves on to another piece of business.”

If that rule were changed, though — say, by going back to the talking filibuster of yore — filibusters might only paralyze the Senate until the minority runs out of members willing to hold the floor.
https://www.vox.com/2021/3/7/2231814...ibuster-reform

2MoreYears 03-07-2021 06:19 PM
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Wow that's huge! Thanks for the update babe.

Pianoswithoutfaith 03-07-2021 08:52 PM
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Babe?....


Why are you such a creep...

Demise 03-07-2021 09:17 PM
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Ngl, the silent filibuster was the worst invention of the recent senate. If you want to delay a vote by dragging the debate onward then debate (or make a fool out of yourself by reading Green Ham and Eggs out loud to the floor). This "I object, go look for 60 votes" move is absolute horseshit.

hDreamer1988 03-07-2021 09:19 PM
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I think Manchin is just being a tease. This would essentially get rid of the filibuster

FLDreamerrr 03-07-2021 09:47 PM
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Hopefully true but manchin has gone on record before stating he wants most bills to be bipartisan

eva02 03-08-2021 12:53 AM
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The democrats are toast if they don’t abolish the filibuster. Republicans are moving to make voting more difficult, gerrymander districts, and pass state laws to claw back power. Democrats will never be in the position of power and it will be harder for them to win at the presidential level if they don’t do something about the electoral collage too

hDreamer1988 03-08-2021 01:13 AM
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The democrats are toast if they don’t abolish the filibuster. Republicans are moving to make voting more difficult, gerrymander districts, and pass state laws to claw back power. Democrats will never be in the position of power and it will be harder for them to win at the presidential level if they don’t do something about the electoral collage too
No you are being overly dramatic.

JayR9 03-08-2021 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Demise (Post 757966)
Ngl, the silent filibuster was the worst invention of the recent senate. If you want to delay a vote by dragging the debate onward then debate (or make a fool out of yourself by reading Green Ham and Eggs out loud to the floor). This "I object, go look for 60 votes" move is absolute horseshit.
exactly, fuck the filibuster. If they want to filibuster they need to put in the damn work like they did in the old days.

JayR9 03-08-2021 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 757973)
The democrats are toast if they don’t abolish the filibuster. Republicans are moving to make voting more difficult, gerrymander districts, and pass state laws to claw back power. Democrats will never be in the position of power and it will be harder for them to win at the presidential level if they don’t do something about the electoral collage too
They need to plow through Republican next two years. Pass everything they can and change the political landscape.

Swim19 03-08-2021 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by FLDreamerrr (Post 757969)
Hopefully true but manchin has gone on record before stating he wants most bills to be bipartisan
True...but now he's on record on Sunday talk shows saying this about filibuster reform, so we will see if it goes anywhere.

frbc13 03-08-2021 08:46 AM
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No manches, Manchin.

Red neck 03-08-2021 10:10 AM
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Well they need to do it soon because midterms is coming up and who knows if democrats will hold the 50 seats.

Got_Daca 03-08-2021 10:35 AM
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Good news

justjohnjustice1988 03-08-2021 11:51 AM
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Not happening.

Sen. Kirsten Sinema won't go along

She, like Manchin, want the Senate to come together and pass bills on bipartisan negotiations.

Manchin is just saying what most Democrats have said before. He won't change the filibuster. He would lose his next reelection if he did.

It's all about protecting their political campaigns.

The way forward is for negotiations to start right after the House votes out those two immigration bills (Ag jobs/ Dream Act/TPS)

2Face 03-08-2021 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 757984)
Not happening.

Sen. Kirsten Sinema won't go along

She, like Manchin, want the Senate to come together and pass bills on bipartisan negotiations.

Manchin is just saying what most Democrats have said before. He won't change the filibuster. He would lose his next reelection if he did.

It's all about protecting their political campaigns.

The way forward is for negotiations to start right after the House votes out those two immigration bills (Ag jobs/ Dream Act/TPS)
This is it. The only way Dream Act will pass is through regular stand alone vote. Ain't know "budget reconciliation" BS happening. The Dems will simply not do that. They will drag this out as much as they can but I do firmly believe this is it...it is going to pass now. They've kicked the can down enough.

2MoreYears 03-08-2021 12:41 PM
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omg forgot you two have mutual understandings

hDreamer1988 03-08-2021 01:13 PM
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I am not discount the possibility that dems are trying to push the budget reconciliation or the filibuster as a way to drop the GOP asking price for immigration. That seems like a very political thing to do.

Swim19 03-09-2021 07:26 PM
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Some more info on Manchin's views:

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Now, in an interview with Politico, Manchin appears to have gotten even more specific about the changes he’d be willing to entertain—and it bodes poorly for the GOP’s obstruction plans. Specifically, the piece says, Manchin “thinks either the majority needs to come up with 60 votes to overcome a filibuster or the minority to come up with 41 votes to sustain it.” It’s a short, passing paraphrase in an article that is ostensibly about how Democrats don’t have the votes to actually change the filibuster. But when considered in the context of Manchin’s comments over the weekend, it’s potentially a big deal. The senator has now said that on top of requiring the minority to actually talk during a filibuster, he’d be open to requiring that they keep 41 votes on the floor in order to maintain their blockade. No matter what, that would be a massive time suck for opposition lawmakers, which would make filibustering more logistically difficult. But once you’ve made the rule change, it also opens up the potential for old-timey hardball tactics like running the Senate 24/7 until the opposing side just drops.
https://slate.com/business/2021/03/j...ate-hints.html

Got_Daca 03-09-2021 07:42 PM
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Manchin with the clutch

frbc13 03-09-2021 08:13 PM
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I'll believe it when I see it.

Swim19 03-16-2021 11:27 AM
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Turtle is worried and unhappy:

@JakeSherman
McConnell on the floor this AM, in talking about the filibuster: “Nobody serving in this chamber can even begin to imagine what a completely scorched earth Senate would look like.”

@JakeSherman
McConnell says if Dems blow up the filibuster, he’ll require a quorum for everything. Past actions will seem like “child’s play"

McConnell says he would enact conservative policies with “zero input” from Dems. Lists defunding planned parenthood, sanctuary cities and nationwide right to work, concealed carried reciprocity in D.C. and 50 states

dreamer12345 03-16-2021 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 758246)
Turtle is worried and unhappy:

@JakeSherman
McConnell on the floor this AM, in talking about the filibuster: “Nobody serving in this chamber can even begin to imagine what a completely scorched earth Senate would look like.”

@JakeSherman
McConnell says if Dems blow up the filibuster, he’ll require a quorum for everything. Past actions will seem like “child’s play"

McConnell says he would enact conservative policies with “zero input” from Dems. Lists defunding planned parenthood, sanctuary cities and nationwide right to work, concealed carried reciprocity in D.C. and 50 states

vft1008 03-16-2021 10:29 PM
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He's fuming, the old fart.


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