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Because trump wants to give the democrats back what he himself tried to end (DACA) in exchange for a wall. Think about it, why would you accept an offer ( a one as shitty as trumps proposal) that gives them back what they had before No Republican with power will be on board with the democrats if it’s them who start it first. Turtle man has made it very clear he won’t put anything up for voting if trump isn’t on board. Yes correct the general populace won’t immediately blame the democrats but trump and his crooks will ride along the train of swigging blame unto democrats with out actually willing to negotiate. Beside Trump himself already made it clear he’s gonna wait for the courts ruling on daca before he even considers it.

At this point it’s better for everyone but trump if the democrats don’t cave in. Daca isn’t going anywhere, no court wants to end it and the Supreme Court has decline to it for the NOw well until sometime this year at least We safety say daca is here to stay for at least 2021.

And to be honest I don’t think trump even wants a wall now, what will be his biggest focus for 2020 race?

I may be wrong on this but I think this would be a great opportunity for Dems to force Trump into accepting a proposal that gives us citizenship. Nobody wants the crappy 3yr DACA.

The house passes a wall/dreamact bill and present it to everyone as it being most common sense, generous, and bipartisan proposal. Trump won't think again about doing a shutdown because everyone will know the offer was clearly on the table.

plus when you think about it, what would the republicans' excuse be for doing a shutdown? They are the ones shutting it down when the govt is perfectly fine and functioning. The dems rly have a chance to set the table and outline the proposal but they are not assertive enough or maybe just have ulterior motives.

Trump is the one who is “poisoning the well” right now. He’s saying the bipartisan conference committees are “wasting their time”. Pelosi is saying everything to put in place a compromise that would include heavy border “security” and if you want to call“fencing” a “wall”

Yeah that's precisely why Pelosi should take it in to her own hands and pass something in the House to pressure the Senate and Trump to accept. Trump is talking crap about the committee because he knows whatever they come up with is not going to be 100% what he likes. Dems rly need to dictate the terms instead of fleeing the scene. Not talking about it only gives Trump more support for either shutting down the govt or declaring the emergency. He'll just say that Dems never came to the table and gave him a fair chance as promised.

Blamed for what, Trump isn't going to shutdown the govt again. The worst he can possibly do is declare natl emergency. No one is going to blame dems for trump doing that.

He’ll say that Democrats never came to the table regardless. He’s not gaining any support for a new government shutdown and definitely not for an emergency declaration either. All his rhetoric is exact reason why negotiations with him are futile. Dems and GOP should try to overwrite his veto because both those outcomes are not acceptable

Ok, then which is why Dems need to pass wall/dream act in their chamber.

They should pass the USA act or similar bill from last year and dare trump to poison it in the senate votes.
They can be like we tried to compromise and look trump declined.
And then they can push a clean appropriation bill

they should just do the comprehensive immigration bill of 2013.

that had like 25+ billion for border sec and amnesty, that shit will finish this issue.