Obama pushes for passage of Dream Act - Page 2

What is your point? I have no rebuttal against what you just said. Umm I am quite aware of the time scale. I am quite aware of who has been fighting to pass this bill. I am completely with all my senses aware that it has not passed. What rather easy bill? If you're referring to the Rubio bill it isn't even out yet there is nothing to push. What I am saying is that when it does come out, it will most likely not be backed by very many democrats. And if it is backed by democrats it will not be backed by enough Republicans because they both completely disagree. And have different agendas.

You said that Obama focused all of his political capital on healthcare. And not on the DREAM act. If he had worried about the DREAM act before healthcare even I would deem him the worst president. Somethings our more important to Americans. Hence the world does not revolve around us. Also I have no position on the healthcare reform. So don't bring that up.

I respectfully disagree.

I think Obama could have passed the Dream Act easily and quickly and congress would have moved on to whatever Obama wanted to work on next. A lot of the repubs would have gladly seen it passed just so that they dont have to oppose something they previously supported (Like McCain)...

Either way, we are here now and Obama still sucks. It’s just that his opponent sucks even more.

This is where I piss you off and ask you to prove it to me (you'll get pissed off trying to find proof in futility). Because if you are basing all that on a matter of opinion it is not backed up by our situation, and opinions are not what we should be using to discuss the past, but our logic. Like I said before their priority is American citizens no matter what they can do. It takes time and effort to write up things like Obamacare and moreover it takes even more time to get it agreed upon and eventually passed. Using my logic this is what I determined. Obama says he'll sign the DREAM act if it is put on his desk. He is not willing to do an executive order because of reasons I'm not entirely sure of. So this means he will pass it only if it passes the House and the Senate. Doesn't mean he isn't doing anything about it, but that is the process. Take it or leave it. And "a lot of republicans" is an overstatement, and I'm laughing because you only used one example.

Now from what I understand an executive order to be, and why it would be a bad idea. Most of you guys think it is the only thing that will save us, and the President sucks for not using his power to give us relief, and that because he doesn't use an executive order he is a big fat liar and doesn't care about our futures. Yeah... umm.. whatever reason you have for thinking like that... STOP IT! If he used an executive order, which is the single most powerful weapon in his arsenal, he would look stupid. How does passing the DREAM act benefit Americans that much? We are not gonna magically improve the economy in a day, let alone 5 years. None the less we would improve it, but not to a degree where it warrants an executive order. Also we are not all in danger of losing our lives in the next few days. So yeah there is not enough incentive to pull out his mega weapon. And even if he did, it would go to trial for being against the law and we would still have to wait until the trial ended. And Congress would still not be for it so they can repeal it. It is just overall not a solid solution, and any President would be very foolish to even attempt it.

... when we finally had 5 republicans vote for DA the fucking democratic president who says he and his party are ready to sign.. couldnt unite and the bill didnt pass because of 5 democrats who voted NAY... so how was it anyones fault but the democrats and the president who couldnt get them all together to sign a little immigration bill when bush was uniting the whole congress to start a war in Iraq.

Obama said that something they can do within the first 100 days of him getting elected is pass the dream act. He FAILED on this (Even though he clearly could have).

I don’t see how you can say to someone that hold the POTUS accountable to what he says that the "world does not revolve around the dreamers". And that is true. However, if not now than when? The world will never "revolve" around dreamers. That does not mean that the dreamer community should be disregarded for 11yrs. Congress held hearing on steroids in baseball for crying out loud!!!

If you really feel like you’re such an unworthy person that does not deserve to live a regular life and fully contribute to the community you find yourself in than I feel sorry for you. I feel you deserve better. And the legislators in congress get paid mightily well to resolve issues. They need to do their job and resolve this one.

After all this, it will most likely be Obama that will sign the DA bill.

I completely agree with you he could have signed it. Just like I could have signed. And santa clause could have signed it. It didn't pass congress!! That is why we didn't get it signed. Obama can't force everyone to want to pass it because if he could this wouldn't be a democracy. If you want to hate him for the rest of you're life go ahead. I don't want to sell you on Obama, but my point is he couldn't do anymore than you could have to pass it through congress.

Because I know how our government functions, that is why I don't hold him accountable for what he says. Obama actually has some great ideas, but ideas are crap if congress doesn't agree. Yeah, but they get paid by people with documents bro, and maybe you pay taxes, but not enough to get what you want. And to them they are resolving the issue and that is by saying no to the DREAM act. Would you rather they bring up a bill for mass deportation? That would be resolving the issue too.

I don't know why you are even trying to tie in my personal beliefs... This is politics. I feel very happy of what my life is like, I want to join the military and be a Cop I think I deserve to protect my friends. So don't worry about how I feel. It has nothing to do with these politics.

The dreamer community hasn't been disregarded for 11 years. Clearly we have a DREAM act someone is thinking about us. Just because it hasn't passed doesn't mean people aren't fighting. Everything doesn't just happen at the push of a button. Get real.

http://obamafoodorama.blogspot.com/2...mayo-2011.html

This is what he said back in 2011 at a cinco de mayo celebration. Up till now, he has made great progress in protecting the borders and enforcing the laws. What has he done up till now in pushing the Dream Act into law? In 2013, when the house republicans still control the house, he is going to say the same thing at the cinco de mayo celebration. He claims he can't sign an executive order to help dreamers legally stay here ( even thought it has been disputed by many immigration experts and a memo produced by his own administration). If Rubio's bill is reasonable enough and doesn't disqualify too many dreamers, the bill is simply going to do what Obama claims he can't do with an executive order. If he really "cared" about our plight, he would throw his whole weight behind the bill and use his bully pulpit and urge congress to bring it up for a vote. It's a win-win situation for him IMO because he can simply tell the latino crowd that he is supporting it only as a stop-gap measure till there are enough votes to pass the real dream act or CIR. If republicans in the house vote it down, he can then paint the GOP and Romney as extremely anti-immigrant since they can't even get their party to support a watered down version of a GOP dream act.

Lol, i'm tired of reading essays in these threads. Note: humans have a really short attention span (unless it's something really interesting).

This is not a debate class folks!

nice post.